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Teen Mom OG: Farrah’s Return Recap

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Reunited and it feels so good!

 

Live updates throughout the episode – might be shorter than most, but I’ll still update as frequently as possible.

Catelynn

Catelynn is trying to manage her weight after her last appointment.  They’re headed to North Carolina to meet with Brandon and Teresa, and Dawn is coming with them to mediate everything.  They sit down with Dawn and talk about concerns with the adoption and Tyler simply wants to know why Brandon and Teresa don’t want pictures posted.  Dawn just wants Tyler and Catelynn to realize that they can’t make decisions for Carly any more.  Dawn says that if they don’t follow the rules, it ultimately effects Carly.

Catelynn and Tyler board a plane and head off to see Carly.  They stay in a hotel for the night and talk about seeing her.  They’re both excited, but you can tell that there’s still a lot of tension.  Tyler’s been contemplating what to say for over a week, and I have a feeling it’s going to all boil over once everyone is together.

Catelynn and Tyler get ready to meet with Brandon and Teresa.  They’re nervous and didn’t sleep much as all.  Brandon and Teresa look happy, which is always good.  Tyler is confused about the posting picture thing, and they feel like they’re walking on egg shells for everything.  Brandon and Teresa feel like the same thing happens on their side.  Brandon and Teresa announce fear about the fact that eventually when Carly grows up, she might want to have more of a relationship with her biological parents.  There’s some tears shed over the emotions, and Dawn pipes in to say that adoption is covered in insecurities.  I thought I would leave that scene feeling better about things, but I don’t really feel like much was actually accomplished.

Brandon and Teresa allow to let Catelynn and Tyler see Carly, but they don’t want her on camera in order to maintain her privacy.  Carly’s dress is cute – but that’s about all I can say because we obviously can’t see her face.  She has a cute voice though.  Tyler and Catelynn give Carly and Elsa doll.  Brandon and Teresa give baby Nova some of Carly’s old clothes, which is really touching.  I’m glad that they were all together, and they seemed genuinely happy.

Catelynn and Tyler leave from their visit and it’s bittersweet.  They’re happy to see her, but always upset to leave.  Tyler it glad that they were able to get some things out in the open.  Teresa told Catelynn that she would love the new baby very much, and that it’s a piece of Catelynn and Tyler, and also a piece of Carly.  That’s pretty precious if you ask me.

Amber

Amber starts out this episode with a phone call to Gary.  Gary asks if Amber is ok, and it’s kind of weird.  Apparently he’s calling all the time and it’s awkward for Amber.  Amber sits down with her brother and talks about Gary’s pending second child.  Shawn has a lovely analogy about being released from the prison of her heart now that she realizes it won’t ever work with Gary.

Gary the Hairy Fairy calls Amber.  Amber says that Gary is flirting with her and asking if she misses the sex.  Amber says that now that Kristina is pregnant, things are extra weird.  Amber doesn’t want to be with him, and she wants closure and thinks that the conversations need to stop.

Leah comes over and brings a present for her mom.  Gary’s mom is there and she’s wearing way too much makeup.  Gary’s mom talks about how things are going with Gary and Kristina.  Amber opens up about her feelings a bit, but things end strangely between the two of them.  Gary calls later, and Amber picks up.  Gary calls trying to hook up with Amber, and she’s pissed about that.

Amber goes to the pumpkin patch with Leah, and Gary keeps calling her.   Kristina is sick and pregnant and no fun.  Gary flosses his teeth while telling his girlfriend about how Amber reacted to the pregnancy.  Kristina feels like Gary is leading Amber on and that he’s giving her false hopes.  Kristina is pretty upset and she starts crying.  Gary is an asshole.  End of discussion.

Amber has Gary come over to talk about things.  Amber lets Gary know that some of the shit he’s doing needs to stop.  Basically Amber doesn’t want to hear about Gary’s penis any more, and she needs closure.  Part of me wants her to get up and bitch slap him again.  Amber just wants him to leave after they end up arguing and it’s awful, but hopefully she somehow got some of that closure she wanted.

Maci

Maci has a speaking engagement in Pennsylvania, and we finally hear a little bit about Maci’s speaking.  Maci sees a magazine cover about her getting married, which was also interesting to see.  When she’s back, Maci talks to Taylor about the pregnancy and she thinks that Mimi Jen is going to flip shit when she finds out.

Halloween is tomorrow and Maci is supposed to hand off Bentley.  Maci wants to tell Ryan about the baby, but doesn’t know what he’ll say.  Maci and Taylor take Bentley trick or treating and he’s a pretty sweet looking Ninja Turtle.  Maci lets Ryan and Larry know that she’s pregnant.  They take it pretty well in front of her, but who knows what was said about it in the car afterwards.

Ryan tells his mom about Maci being pregnant.  She asks if Maci is getting married, and Ryan doesn’t really know.  Ryan and Shelby are not together at this point, but Mimi Jen doesn’t think that she was ready to date someone with a child.  Ryan didn’t agree to talk about this, so he takes his microphone off and walks away.

Maci talks on the radio show for a bit, and then sits down with her friend Ashley for lunch.  Maci lets her know that both of their families know, but that things went pretty well.  Maci is nervous for how Jen is going to react, but that she’s probably only concerned about when Maci and Taylor will get married.

Maci is picking up Bentley from Mimi Jen’s house, and she’s still nervous about how they’ll react to the pregnancy.  Mimi says she’s excited about things, but does ask about a marriage.  Maci says they’re not getting married before the baby because she wants to get drunk after her wedding.  Maci reveals that she was nervous about everything but it’s nice to see them all back to normal.

Farrah

She’s back – and she’s still a bitch.  Sophia is cute though, so whatever.  That’s honestly all I have to say about her 3 minutes of the show.

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  1. Profile photo of drunkoncheetos
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    Yes!! Ryan is live tweeting. This is going to be amazing.

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    Lol. I love how Amber seemed genuinely mortified when Shawn joked/suggested that Gary wasn’t the father of Kristina’s baby. We all had our doubts, Bubby, because I highly doubt Gary has no idea where his penis even is these days.

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    Shawn’s girlfriend is really pretty.

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    I can’t wait for Farrah’s whisper cries.

    “I just hhssshshsssehhhhseehhhh”

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      YOU GUYS JUST MAKE ME MORE FUCKIING MAD!!!!!!!!! I bursted out laughing. I could not produce and say with a straight face “Your fans wanted you back. Something on the show was missing.” I’d just start snorting and giggling mid sentence. God bless the producers.

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        Farrah? Fans?!
        By god, we finally got the answer to our question ‘what the hell might she be doing all those hours she claims she is working hard as a business woman?’
        Well… creating false accounts and write MTV from every single one of them.

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        “I already went to therapy for this!!!”
        Poor Sophia, parenting her awful mother….

        Really. Therapy over this played out teen mom show and their initial rejection of her.. It’s sad but still funny. She loves any of that attention, negative or negative.

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        I would like to know who REALLY WANTED FARRAH BACK ON THE SHOW??? I honestly don’t think it is the viewers. Maybe MTV is planning on getting percentages of Farrah’s sex line proceeds? Her attitude is purely ridiculous. She carries herself like a pure porn star, self-centered, Self-important and in no way a lady or even pleasant to watch or hear. What a disgrace her and her dysfunctional family are! And for her, you are willing to sacrifice Maci?!? What a shame, I will no longer WATCH THE SHOW with Farrah’s unwanted return! Hopefully, the negativity of her return will overturn your invite for her. Her attitude the first re-launch of her return, I was just shocked! Of course, we are ALL used to the constant crying! She is definitely her GREATEST FAN!!! What a joke she is! I will be tickled when she finds out NOBODY THINKS SHES as GREAT AND SPECIAL as SHE thinks she is! LOL! I know lots of young mothers that NEVER took their clothes off or had anal sex for money! She must convince herself shes normal, the real world knows otherwise!!

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      OMG this was the best!!! LOL!!!!

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        I have never seen someone who cries as much as she does…. get some antidepressants or something

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        WHY IS SHE BACK IN THE FIRST PLACE??? I don’t know anybody that thinks she’s great, except herself!
        I have watched this show since 16 and pregnant and was so glad to quit fast forwarding through Farrah the Crybaby’s cuts. Now, I will NO LONGER VIEW OR SUPPORT THIS SHOW!! Maci’s morality and thoughts about her return is exactly right. None of those girls making real efforts to improve their and their children’s lives should have to share air time with that selfish, self-absorbed, crybaby idiot! She brings down the whole premise of that show and is cutting room floor material. PLEASE BANISH THE WICKED WITCH!!!

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    First time I saw Maci do her speaking engagements. Stick to your day job, Maci. Oh, wait…

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      How ridiculous is it that she’s giving a speech about inspiring girls to use birth control while she’s knocked up again.

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        But the baby is a gift from God! And Maci has PCOS, so she didn’t know she could get pregnant again!

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        God gave her PCOS and a baby! Ain’t he great?

        Seriously, I was diagnosed with PCOS (and undiagnosed) and I was told “it will be harder to get pregnant” but not impossible. It was still devastating at the time and something I worry about, but it’s always better safe than sorry! Such a simple concept!

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        I don’t want to seem like I’m defending Maci, because most of this is me being irritated about her lifestyle… but I have Endometriosis and PCOS and had been told every time I had a surgery for them that it would be nearly impossible to conceive naturally and would still take a while with fertility treatments. I had Nexplanon (that arm bar that is the different brand of Implanon) in for a year to help with my hormones to try to relieve pain from those disorders. I got into a car accident, screwed up the shape of my bar, and opted to have it medically removed instead of leaving it popping up almost out of my skin. I am engaged and have been planning a wedding for almost 8 months, but my fiancé and I trusted the last few doctors/surgeons who have told me basically that I wouldn’t get pregnant and since I lost my secondary insurance, I figured getting the Nexplanon replaced immediately wasn’t necessary… but now I’m 5 months pregnant. Needless to say, I’m a bit sensitive about it, but at the same time, I am and have been in a committed relationship for a while, am older and I like to think more mature than Maci, haven’t had a surprise baby before, have a real job, and my life didn’t revolve around alcohol and partying before this pregnancy. I also had been taking measures to HELP my disorder (managing it with surgeries and hormonal birth control) before the removal and pregnancy, not just saying I have it and don’t need to prevent pregnancies because of it. Probably off topic, but just saying that if she’s honestly going to use that as an excuse, she shouldn’t in a way belittle those who actually have reproductive disorders who take that shit seriously.

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        Especially when she admitted that she stopped using it… and she was talking about how she was on it to avoid getting pregnant. That hypocrite.

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      Really! She seemed bored to be there until afterwards when people were asking about her relationship/personal life.

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      She doesn’t seem motivational, though.

      “hey, y’all, use condoms so you don’t end like me without a real job and making a lot of money, so I can take time to go on drinking binges across the country! Plus, I get magazine covers! #birthcontrol4lyf

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    Way to give a speech about how you’re awesome for inspiring safer sex even though you’re pregnant again and it was still an accident because you WEREN’T USING BIRTH CONTROL!

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    Holy shit, Tyler is actually driving Catelynn for once!!

    Also, i seriously can’t believe he is so obsessed with Batman. A soon to be father with batman car seat covers? LMAO

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    Did Tyler really compare himself to a king and B&T to servants? I was showing off the site to my brother and missed most of the conversation lol.

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    The show doesn’t air for another 3 hours here so I’m going to live vicariously through you guys. I really hope B&T tell C&T to back off.

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    Oh, look, now Tyler’s done. He’s over respecting Brandon and Teresa as Carly’s parents.

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    Uh, Fuck Dawn. I know at some points she is telling them that Brandon and Theresa have all control and its about Carly but at other points she is agreeing with them and acting like B&T are just making C&Ts life hard. Word adoption counselor ever! DOes she not realize that she should be telling them how adoption works and correcting Catelynn when C mentioned how she wanted to know how B&T thought adoption was. B&T knew and still know what adoption is, its B&T who dont and their fucking adoption counselor should be telling them point blank how its supposed to be.

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      I feel like she is siding with Brandon and Teresa.

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        In some ways she mentioned how C&T have the control, etc but in a lot of the conversation she didn’t tell B&T that their feelings are wrong and how B&T are doing adoption right and their behavior is wrong. She either would say “yeah” “ahuh” etc or mention how Carly is affected blah blah blah she needs to be their ADOPTION COUNSELOR and tell them that its not up to them and stop being immature and how their actions are wrong.

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        Gah i flip flopped C&T and B&T the first time about the control and feelings, but you get my point

    • Profile photo of trashtvismyguiltypleasure
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      Yeah like she’s more worried with being on tv and promoting her shitty adoption agency then she is with doing what’s right for her client.

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      In sure this will stoke the torches of the downvote mafia, but Bethany Christian Services (like many others, unfortunately) are very scammy and appear to take advantage of anyone who goes through their doors. A while ago I stumbled onto their profile on an adoption agency rating site: http://www.adoptionagencyratings.com/adoption-services/bethany-christian-services

      They have some positive stories, of course, but the bad stories are just so horribly bad. Some of those stories read like something you’d see posted on the ACLU website.

      • Profile photo of Catelynns Carly Blanket
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        No, most people here agree that Bethany absolutely sucks. I know I’ve said this multiple times on multiple posts, but I still don’t know how Catelynn and Tyler don’t realize that Dawn would have dropped them if it weren’t for “Teen Mom”. They don’t even need her anymore since they and B&T are contacting each other personally instead of through the agency, but they still hang out with her like they’re buddies and she didn’t lie to them about the situation.

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        I followed your link, this is absolutely awful!!!
        There must be so much truth in all those stories, why does’nt the government do something?
        Why the heck is an adoption agency involved in foster care cases? That is so unethical.
        It s not in their interest to help (temp) troubled families reunite, this is so wrong.
        I bet they are coaching and pushing B and T to keep the adoption open so they have a PR ‘succes story’.

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        The government is busy arresting hackers who expose rapists and jailing people for pot and spying on us.

        No but really the government has other things to do, few of them positive. I think the only way anything could change is of a ton of birth parents and adoptive parents (mostly these, this is what the courts really care about) and formerly adopted children all filed a lawsuit against them and drained them of their resources and forced them to close. But BCS is not alone, there are an enormous amount of adoption agencies like this looking to prey on scared and desperate people. If you ever plan on adopting or giving up a child, research the hell out of your agency, because it feels like there are more scams than not.

        B&T (and C&T) are treated like gold by them because they’re on tv and this is their big success story. They need it to go well. That’s why Dawn always looks uncomfortable with Cate and doesn’t know what to say, because she’s not used to dealing with birthmothers so long.

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        Birthmothers see Dawn hopping on airplanes to help but when you read the stories, the birthmothers do not receive help (unless they pay for it).

        Birthmothers have been told that they only had to call BCS after the 18th birthday of the child and BCS would connect them with their child. Again, they ask for money.

        They also get paid for their services by the state when they place a foster child at adoptive parents. Isn’t CPS supposed to fight birthparents and relatives not taking propper care of their kids?
        What is an semi commercial organization doing there?!
        They even took a grandmother taking care of two kids that were not even in their care to court. Their siblings were in foster care.
        They can pick the kids like cherries and have the state pay for their work and then the adoptive parents have to pay a mandatory ‘donation’ too.
        That is a nice way to keep lots of people in well paid jobs.
        I am sure they helped lots of people but lots are paying the prise for their ways.

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    I know people aren’t a fan of Dawn, but what she says is the truth.

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    Tyler genuinely looked as though the thought of Carly being affected by his bullshit never even occurred to him.

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      It’s because he’s never once thought of that little girl or how she may feel that he’s putting her family through all this hardship. He’s very selfish. Novalee is doomed.

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        agreed. and he keeps saying shit like “ready to go see your kid tomorrow, babe?”. SHE IS NOT YOUR KID.

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        That is the comment that drove me the most nuts! SHE IS NOT YOURS! Just because you provided the egg and the sperm doesn’t make you a parent…she hasn’t been yours since the ink dried on the adoption papers. I can’t understand why he forced Cate into the adoption if he is still so obsessed with being Carly’s dad. You don’t pay for her food and clothes, you weren’t there when she cried or needed a diaper change or needed fed B&T were! I think B&T need to close the adoption so Carly doesn’t become seriously confused, she’s already going to be fucked up when she gets older and see all the stuff on the web about her.

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        Why does everyone say Tye convinced Cate to do adoption. I have seen that 16&p episode so many times and i just dont even see it at all.

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      So where were the fireworks we were promised? The previews showed it as way more intense. It’s like they showed a blow out fight to get people all worked up and excited and then edited it to make Tyler look like less of an ass…. Fucking MTV man….

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    Lol @ Ryan’s only live tweet so far being at a hater

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    So Catelynn just said to Dawn that she doesn’t know how Brandon and Theresa initially expected their adoption to look like. Um, isn’t that Dawn’s job to have that all laid out like BEFORE the adoption happens? But clearly she didn’t do that if five years later Catelynn still doesn’t know what they initially wanted. I really feel like Dawn failed them all as an adoption counsellor and puts on such a sweet face, but I don’t buy it.

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      Dawn totally failed them, and now she’s dealing with the ramifications when they still don’t understand the adoption or their boundaries six years later. I think that’s why she’s so flip-floppy and siding with B&T one moment and C&T the next. She probably wants to tell them to screw off, but knows she can’t because she’s the one who misled them in the first place.

      I do feel like a lot of this is Tyler’s fault for pressuring B&T about the photos and whatnot, but Dawn started this all in “16 and Pregnant”. Cause and effect.

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        Seriously. How do we, as Teen Mom fans know that B&T didn’t even want an open adoption in the first place but compromised but Tyler and Catelynn are still all “WE WANT MOAR TEXTS AND PICTURES, DAMMIT!”

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        Ugh when you lay it out black and white like that, it’s so true. Dawn is trash imo and seems like she cared more about telling each side what they wanted to hear so she could get dem ~adoption fees~. She probably would have stopped dealing with them all years ago if they weren’t all on TV. The reviews for her agency suggest as much.

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        Originally they wanted a closed adoption. It was on the adoption special. Then they heard more about open adoption and agreed to a semi open one

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        If I were B&T I would be so pissed at Dawn for not doing her job for them. She is misleading C&T and letting them be confused instead of laying down the law and expectations and making B&T’s lives hell for it.

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        I honestly would have found a different counselor by now. Dawn dropped ALL the balls. Even the ones in Tyler’s mouth.

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        Lololololol I love how she did basically nothing to “mediate” that conversation. She was mostly an observer.

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        Oh yeah both sides should be pissed at her. I bet Dawn got her own nice little hotel room. I dont think that adoption councilors make all that much money so you know Dawn is riding this gravy train harder then C&T. She doesn’t care what happens as long as she stays on the show and gets her money.

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        Yeah I don’t think being an adoption counsellor is killer money even at a private agency, but Dawn is one of the head honchos and makes good money and clearly has a financial interest in getting people to give up their children. I don’t know how she sleeps at night.

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      Dawn’s job is to procure healthy white infants to sell for 50k a pop. Bethany doesn’t give a shit about informed decision making!

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    Can we just…Promposals are you kidding me?! Stop. Stopppp.

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    Gary the hairy fairy?!?! HAHAHA yes Amber!!

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    “ready to go see OUR KID babe?” what the fuck Tyler?

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    “Ready to go see our kid babe?”-Tyler….”our”…WHAT? Is he literally fucking insane???

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      that part actually made me cringe. he is so delusional, it’s crazy

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      I’m starting to think he is, in fact, literally fucking insane. He has no idea how this meeting, where DAWN has to tag along for mediation purposes, has nothing to do with Tyler’s grievances or what Tyler wants or how he feels done wrong by. It hasn’t even crossed his mind, has it?

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        He has to be. I mean, he really does think that this meeting is all about him and how B&T will have to listen to how this is all affecting HIM and how they need to change their ways so HE’ll feel better about everything. He really is crazy. Like, mentally ill. Catelynn needs to leave this relationship ASAP. It’s not going to end well for her.

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    Tyler’s world is about to crumble. He thinks this is a Tyler’s Feelings Meeting. Self-absorbed to the max. At all times.

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    I am so ready for that face that T gives Tyler when he tries to tell her how things are going to be. Finally after what four-five weeks we get to see what we have been waiting for.

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      Sadly. Nope! They are too wonderful to even tell Tyler to sit the fuck down or never see the kid he signed away and move to Europe. It is in their rights to do that, and Tyler is to stupid to imagine it, and Catelynn chews her nails worrying about it, but they are amazingly strong role and are sharing Carly with undeserving birth parents. Love is very powerful in these two people. Two bad Tyler is an idiot. Lets hope his DNA is very weak in Carly!

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    Ryan seriously cracks me up. How he wishes Taylor good luck because he has to deal with Maci lmao.

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    Holy smokes…… looks like Gary’s mom got her makeup done by Be Glossy….

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    Watching via this website and Twitter tonight y’all

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    Maybe I misunderstood the phone call with B+T, but they made it seem like they would make arrangements for a meeting with Carly after the sit down, not now. I’m gonna laugh when they get there and B+T are all uhhh she’s with the babysitter, she doesn’t need to witness your tantrum.

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      When Teresa called to set up the meeting, C&T kept asking her if they could see Carly. She was very reluctant as she told them that they could do it afterwards. So I think they may see Carly this episode, but it’s only after Tyler has his little meltdown over the fact that he has no control over the adoption.

      Though I would love to see C&T’s faces when they walk into the room and don’t see *our* kid anywhere.

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    Papa Larry knowing that genders of the existing siblings aren’t in place just yet even though Bentley’s already 6. Get ’em.

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    Haha Ryan “Good luck” Maci “Why you wishing him luck because he has to deal with me?” Ryan “Yeah” hahaha

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      Honestly, I rolled my eyes at Maci there. I’m not a Maci hater but I just took it as Ryan wishing Taylor luck on his first time as a parent and then Maci had to jump in and make it about herself. So at that point Ryan said yeah, as in “I didn’t mean that before but now that you mention it, yes you are gonna be a pain in his ass”

      Damn, Maci! Ain’t nothin’ good enough for you!

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        Haha yup. That’s about what I said. Plus if they’re actually together then it’s going to be a whole different story for them then for her and Ryan. Until they break up of course. Then Taylor’s going to be a deadbeat and she’ll find Bentley and Jayde Carter a new dad who’ll take such good care of her kids… Anyone notice how she was behind on schoolwork and needing to catch up last night? How long until she drops out because she’s sooooo stressed out with Bentley and being pregnant again.

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    Bentley is going to be a good brother or sister. Haha

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    Is it Halloween in Amberland too and Gary’s mom is going as Mimi from Drew Carey?

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    I actually loved how Maci said, “Ya’ll can tell Mimi for me.” I think even Maci knows that Mimi Jen is still hoping she and Ryan will reconcile, and that Jen’s going to have a nervous breakdown over the fact that Maci’s having a kid with somebody else.

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      Mimi Jen will probably throw her shower.

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      Lmao she probably will throw her shower and she’ll probably be more a grandparent to this new kid then Taylor’s parents. It doesn’t appear that she’s all that close to Taylors parents so I’m sure she’ll let Mimi Jen and Larry play grandparents to this one. Especially when her and Taylor break up. She’ll leave them both with Jen and Larry when she’s doing her Spring Break tour with her girlsssssss especially since she’s not getting to do it this year since she’s pregnant, she’ll have to make up for it by going hard next year.

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        And Mimi Jen will happily take Jayde when Biiintleeee doesn’t want to go with Rhine without his baby sister.
        And because she knows she will get no more grand babies from Rhine because I honestly think he learnt his lesson with Bintlee

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    I thought Farrah was coming back this episode? I’m so excited for that shit show lol

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      I honestly cant believe Farrah, the Wonderslut is back! That crazy chick really thinks she is some kind of important, interesting edition. That whole family should qualify for the Therapist Discount Plan!

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    Gary knows how this shit works…it looks like he’s just ASKING for an out when she sees all this.

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    Amber is becoming my favorite. “He needs to be changing his shit. He’s not gonna be calling me and saying that shit anymore.” Yes! She’s not perfect but she’s handling garys fuckery really well.

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    Gary’s mom had all that makeup on for the cameras. You know it.

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      You could see her hair is still permed to hell and back. Poor Carol. I feel like she means well and obviously, her ungodly amount of makeup doesn’t make her a bad human…but holy shit.

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    I’m here to grant your wishes

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    Gay, black parade dancers in Alabama?! MTV knows what we want with programming. Love it.

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    OMG, that producer with “Amby.” Could she be more deer in the headlights? It looks like she’s just waiting for Aym to go apeshit and start freaking out and beating people up. She was like, “How are you feeling, are you angry?” Looking all scared. LOL

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      I just can’t take her seriously after she was all “sincere” in being Farrah’s friend on Being Farrah. She plays her part, I guess, but I don’t know what to believe if she can pretend to like Farrah.

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        Exactly. Everything she says and does is insincere. That Ambie bullshit is gross. The producer is trying WAY too hard to relate to her.

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        God.

        I can’t believe I’m saying this.

        I can empathize with Farrah. She obviously has a lot of issues and had terrible role models, and it shows. She’s sooooo reactive to the slightest of criticisms, and she obviously has self-esteem problems. I feel badly for her, I really do. I look at Farrah and I feel sorry for her, and I truly hope that she gets REAL help and deals with her problems. I’m too f*ing empathetic.

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        You are a much better person than I.

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        Yeah I do feel for Farrah a little. I blame her up bringing for why she is the way she is. I mean do you remember the way Debra used to slap her on camera and call her names?! My mother NEVER talked to me like that. That’s not the way you talk to your teenagers. But she is such a fucking cunt!!!! Like why do you think it’s ok to talk to people like that? Debra and Michael were just standing around watching her be rude to everyone and then they tried defending her. It’s just so crazy to me! My parents would’ve been so mortified by me and then slapped me. That’s the time to slap her Debra not when the two of you are arguing in the car.

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        I actually agree with you. Debra was obviously a very difficult mother to have and it seems there was some drama with Michael, and then she has this deep-seeded self-esteem problem and a certain degree of delusion (undoubtedly a product of her childhood). She’s obviously had some shit happen to make her the way she is. On top of that, she’s become Teen Mom OGs resident villain when she really isn’t fucking up that much more than the other girls, and it’s got to be hard to be vilified constantly.

        Remember on Couples Therapy when she very validly pointed out C&T failed to achieve the goals they set for themselves before getting pregnant again, then C&T snapped at her and said that she sold her vagina, and the whole audience cheered? I felt horrible for her then.

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        LOL whatever she deserves everything she gets. Cate also validly pointed out Farrah’s dilusions about “not being a porn star” and everyone talked about how that was totally classless… So if it’s not Cate’s place to make judgments about Farrah then it’s not Farrah’s place to judge Cate either. And she’s villified more than the other girls because Jenelle’s probably the only one who sees her kids less than Farrah, and all of the other girls know how to turn on the nice with some people but not Farrah. Maybe Kail is a close second but as long as Farrah treats literally everyone around her the way she does I don’t feel sorry for her. And if Sophia fails to break the cycle then I won’t feel bad for her either.

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        i think farrah was right in what she was saying, we all know mtv threw her off the show then begged her back and i think she was just trying to be real about that instead of whatever bullshit entrance mtv was trying to peddle, and i give farrah props for using what she had to get what she wanted, at least shes doing something with herself instead of sitting on a couch whining about shit all day like all the other girls seem to be doing, and so what if she took it up the ass on tape, i bet all the other girls do it too, they just try to play like they dont

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        LOL no. Farrah begged MTV to come back. And OK things that are apparently better than whining on the couch: Being away from your kid so much you have to hire a nanny to raise her. Treating everyone around you like dirt. drunk driving… Err, car parking (LOL). Getting bad lip injections so you can get on Botched. Pretending the guy you made a porno with is your boyfriend when he wants nothing to do with you. Acting like said porno was a “leaked sex tape”. Sorry but Jenelle is the only one worse than Farrah and even she’s a little more barable to watch on TM.

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        ChickenFfried, I get a feeling that MTV was the one to beg Farrah back…

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        I totally see MTV begging for Farrah back just because I feel like she has too much pride to beg herself. She’s been having no problems staying in the limelight with her pronos and sex toys. Plus I feel like it would’ve come out by now that she was the one to beg them even if it was just a rumor.

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        Totally disagree sorry. I dont care how someone is brought up they still know wrong from right. I mean if you are brought up hating the way u were treated then you should know how it feels to be the victim of a horrible person and not be one yourself. There is a difference between making bad life decisions and being a horrible person.

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    Seeing how much Cate & Ty love social media this season, how much do you guys want to bet they’re the ones downvoting the comments about them? Lol.

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    I still think Ryan is hot but I wish he would stop chewing that tobacco or whatever it is. That is DISGUSTING.

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    Ryan’s grey hair is sexy. I don’t even care if this gets a thousand down votes.

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    Grandpa Larry rubbin Maci’s belly was just awkward!

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    “Are they getting married?”

    “I don’t know. I haven’t asked.”

    There’s still hope yet, Mimi Jen!

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    #CouplesTherapyWithDrLarry&MimiJen

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    Did ryans dad just say “you are an ugly man”? Thats hilarious. But sad. Hopefully Ryan gets his shit together.

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    Oh look, Rhine is taking off again. Run away from your problems, Rhine. That’s the best thing to do!

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      Eh I cut Ryan some slack for that one ONLY because he was running away from the cameras. He didn’t want to talk about it on camera. I get that. It’s gotta suck to have to have these kinds of conversations on camera. And he knows they always make Maci like a saint which makes him look like an even bigger ass. I’d hate the cameras too.

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        If only there were some way for him to avoid the cameras entirely… like, not being on the show.

        I guess I just can’t sympathize with someone who constantly bitches about the cameras, but happily accepts the paycheck that comes with them.

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    BRANDON AND TERESA! LET THE SHOWDOWN COMMENCE!

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    Papa Larry LOVES pushing Rhine’s buttons.

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    B&T seem so sweet. Tyler is such a loser. The way he’s coming at them is so wrong. I also think it’s weird this conversation is being filmed. It’s so personal, I can’t imagine how awkward it is to have with cameras.

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      Why does he have to be so confrontational?! Poor Cate finally getting to speak.

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      Seriously. The big difference is that Brandon and Teresa consider their perspective and Catelynn and Tyler don’t seem capable of returning that courtesy. Now you have Catelynn opening up and trying not to cry and Tyler seething next to her waiting to speak instead of listening.

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        Exactly, Cate and Ty don’t have a little girl on tv and live normal lives. Poor Brandon and Theresa are raising this beautiful child and have to deal with the “fame” aspect of this show, when really all they ever wanted was to have children and live a normal life! God, Tyler. Shut. Up.

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    Tyler is handling this really maturely. pfft.

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      He won’t let anyone speak! Catelynn looks like she’s about to cry.

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        I really felt for Carelynn during that segment. Poor Catelynn. Tyler is a self-righteous, entitled little twerp. He looked like more of a jerk than usual, and that’s saying a lot!

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    Tyler’s such a freak. He’ll confront B&T, but agree with them when they give him their explanations. And then their explanations aren’t good enough! it’s also telling that Catelynn isn’t speaking so far and is letting Tyler do all the talking. Bad move, Cate.

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      And when they get home, Tyler will do a 180 and talk $h** about them. In 3..2..

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      She seemed like she wanted to speak up but was terrified. And then when she finally did she was trying to smooth things over… I feel like B&T were really trying to go easy on them for Cate’s benefit not Tylers. Teresa even hugged Cate at the end and said that sweet thing about the baby. That was to Catelynn not to Tyler. I bet it was hard for her to hold her tongue and not tell her to get rid of Tyler the loser.

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        Yes, it seems like B&T like Catelynn better than Tyler at this point, and with good reason. I love that conversation Teresa had with Catelynn about how she couldn’t wait to hold Nova and love her. Like you said, that was to Catelynn and not Tyler. He was out in the cold, and I think he knew it since he barely had a reaction when Catelynn told him about what Teresa said. He looks really annoyed while she was genuinely touched. I wonder if Tyler knows that B&T probably prefer Catelynn over him. It probably pisses him off because I think he feels like he’s better than Catelynn.

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        I wonder if he knows that pretty much everyone prefers her over him….
        MTV seems to have stopped his good girl edit.

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        “It probably pisses him off because I think he feels like he’s better than Catelynn.”

        So sad but probably so true.

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        Catelynn is going to spend a vastly disproportionate hunk of her life apologizing for Tyler and she needs to realize this ASAP. Tyler doesn’t seem to care who he hurts with either his words or his actions, but Catelynn certainly does. That’s not a good combination.

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        Tyler is being Butch- verbally abusive, ignoring her and badgering everyone around him. Being loud and combative. He is stuck in a maturity level and won’t progress. Catelynn will progress out of necessity because she will be a mom. She has limits as she is with him and insecurities, but she has more potential than he ever will, as she doesn’t have the same limits of deluded ego. JMO.

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        Yes, Tyler is very verbally abusive between his mocking Catelynn’s weight to the shit he says about and to B&T. And the thing is, he’ll never realize how much like his father he truly is. Tyler will act like he’s nothing like Burch because he’s not a drug addict or has been to jail. The fact that they’re both abusive control freaks will probably never occur to him.

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        A self-concerned control freak with no empathy and an emotionally dependent people-pleaser with low self-esteem.

        Talk about a textbook case of relationship dynamics common in an abusive relationship. Tyler is absolutely emotionally abusive. Unfortunately, because he only sees the world as it benefits him, he won’t even understand that if he is told. All those fans have reinforced his belief that he is a great guy and partner. It would take major self-reflection on his part to even begin the process of change. That’s not happening, so as was said, he will be Butch without the drugs and jail time.

        I could go on—I work with victims of domestic violence often—but I think he presents his case well enough himself. Good posts, ladies.

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    As much as i think Ryan’s an ass and not very good with Bentley, i don’t think he did anything wrong. He seemed okay with Maci being pregnant and said nothing bad and just mentioned how Bentley will have to get used to losing attention. He obviously only agreed to film/talk about the Maci baby. He doens’t like the cameras and left when it came to a topic he didn’t want to talk about, especially not on camera. I didn’t get an attitude vibe. He never raised his voice or anything. Yeah, i get the girls he’s attracted to generally don’t want guys with a kid and i’m sure he doesn’t like that but if it’s not something he wants to talk about for the show, his parents shouldn’t have brought it up when he just left it as they split and he’s moving out.

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      Exactly. I wouldn’t want to listen to my parents bash my recent ex or tell me how to date from hereon out even without knowing it would be on national television.

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      Yup totally agree!! I didn’t think Ryan did anything wrong in this episode. He was very nice to Maci and Taylor and very respectful. I actually totally agree with what he said about Bentley not liking loosing the attention. That much is very true. Larry loves picking on him and baiting him in front of the cameras. If he doesn’t want to talk about his personal life on camera then that’s his prerogative. The show is about Maci and how she parents Bentley not about Ryan’s relationship with Shelby. I understand him wanting to keep that to himself. And like you said rather then getting angry and fighting with them about it he walked away. Smart thing to do!

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    As a birth parent (who’s bio kid is now a legal adult) in a semi-open adoption, Tyler sounds like a petulant child. Grow up.

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    “You don’t have to explain yourselves to us, but once you don’t I post videos”. Tyler – the look of Teresa’s face is one that is gonna close the adoption tomorrow.

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    Theresa is a million times better human being than Tyler. Holy shit she is incredibly patient. Tyler just needs to stop.

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    “There’s really nothing we can say to let you know how much we appreciate you letting us in your life.”

    Fuck off, Tyler. I guess the fact that he spent the last several episodes basically calling B&T Hitler doesn’t matter because he gets it now after realizing that they’re not changing their minds. What a goddamn douche. I wonder how he explained to B&T all the times he wished he had given Carly to somebody else?

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    This was bull shit. T&B did not give it to Tyler like I thought they would. Tyler was a little douche and wouldn’t even let Dawn speak. I was so thinking Catelynn was about to be like yeah, we have talked about Carly getting older and leaving you for her real parents. Someone needs to give Tyler a smack down.

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      Lol. Yeah, they didn’t smack Tyler down like we all wanted, but at least they told him off and were still patient and graceful even as he was going on about the video bullshit. At least C&T seem to know that B&T mean business, and are more than willing to cut them off if they continue with this immature bullshit.

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        More than willing to cut them off? Where did you get that? Brandon said he would not cut them off.

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        They’ve apparently threatened to cut off contact a few weeks ago, though Catelynn claimed it was just a rumor. I’m not sure if it was. But, yes, B&T said they wouldn’t cut them off, but I think if push comes to shove they might if only to protect their family. Just my opinion.

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        Exactly what Catelynns said. IMHO, i think tyler will continue acting like a spoiled two year old as time goes on, demanding more visits, phone calls, or even summers with them and the second he hears the word “no”; he continually floods the internet w/ Carly’s pictures until he gets what he wants. He doesn’t give a damn about Carly’s privacy, safety or well being just his wittle baby self asserting his dominance over someone he thinks he has permanent control over. You can see when he uses Carly’s emotions to manipulate them; saying she’ll be sad if she doesn’t see them, etc. That’s what will close this adoption.

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        Also, it pleases me that Tyler wasn’t able to reel in his douchebaggery and anger and interrupting everyone incessantly in order to put on a face and look like a better person than he actually is. Watching a narcissist destroy themselves is just satisfying.

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        Agreed. I felt so bad for Teresa and Brandon when someone asked why they agreed to semi-open and they said WELL when we met you we really liked you….

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        I do think they keep contact with C&T not only for Carly’s sake but because they genuinely like C&T and want to have a relationship with them. It must hard to do when you have Tyler hanging around, demanding to know why he can’t share photos and saying on TV that he wishes he had chosen different adoptive parents because of it.

        When Catelynn was telling Tyler about her conversation with Teresa over Nova’s birth, Tyler literally had no expression on his face. He looked completely dead. He said “AWWWW” but that was it. He didn’t care that Catelynn and Teresa had this really heartfelt talk and that Catelynn was touched by it. It had nothing to do with him, so he didn’t care. I don’t know if this meeting has really gotten anything done, especially since B&T allegedly threatened to cut off contact quite recently.

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        I think they really like Cate. I think if they could get Ty out of the picture and keep Cate around they’d do it in a heartbeat. They just have to much class to come out and say well we really liked Cate and you’re a total ass.

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    Carly looks so cute from what we can see of her. B&T are saints for how sweet and patient they are. They are even taking photos of the reunion for memories.

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    Holy Shit, Carly is tall! Good for B&T for not letting Carly on tv. I feel bad that they get stopped at the store.

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      I’m surprised they let any of the visit be filmed and Carly’s voice to be on TV. That should show Tyler that they compromise far more often than they “dictate” things.

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        I can’t wait for when Tyler starts ragging on B&T again for being hypocrites because they chose to let Carly be on TV to an extent. You know it’s coming. Maybe not this season, but in the future. There’s no way he’s changed or has accepted their point of view.

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      Don’t feel bad for them. If it was really that upsetting to them, they wouldn’t have just filmed for MTV again.

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        I think it’s upsetting to them when Tyler is posting Carly’s photos for the 400,000 fans he and Catelynn have on Facebook. It’s different when B&T make that decisions about their child, just like when they were allowed to share Carly’s photos on the adoption magazine. Their rules, their terms. Somehow, I don’t think Tyler has accepted that.

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        Plus, Tyler is all gun ho to show random people Carly’s face. B&T didn’t let Carly’s face be filmed. I mean, people know what B&T look like, so they’ll still be recognized no matter what, but they want to protect Carly’s privacy by not showing what she looks like. When she gets older, she can make that choice or not to post her photos on her own social media accounts.

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        Yeah sorry but that just doesn’t make any sense to me. I think they’re hypocrites. But yeah, I understand they have the legal rights to be hypocrites if they want to be. They’re still hypocrites. Is that their worst crime? Probably. Hypocrisy is just a pet peeve of mine.

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        You really think putting your kid on a magazine that’s associated with educating people on adoption is the exact same thing as a trashy reality show where they’re constantly talking about penises and getting drunk? Sorry no, in order for them to be hypocrites they’d actually have to be doing the same thing as C&T. The kinds of people who watch TM are, I’d imagine, vastly different than the types of people who read adoption magazines.

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        A) they filmed for MTV too (including Carly’s face) AFTER they said no pictures.

        B) their reasoning isn’t “we don’t want Carly on that type of show”. If it was, then your theory about them picking and choosing which public things she is a part of makes sense. But since their reasoning is that they don’t want her in the public at ALL, it’s hypocritical of them to go back and forth on that.

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        Maybe this is their way of showing C&T that B&T and ONLY B&T can make that choice for Carly right now about how much exposure she’s getting. Maybe they did it because they liked how the conversation went. Who knows? The important thing is that C&T have their own child to exploit now, so hopefully they’ll leave Carly alone.

        Also, as Rae says, this shows that B&T are far more willing to compromise with C&T than Tyler says they are. So there’s that.

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        Also, I don’t think it’s as back and forth as you make it out to be. They only let Carly be filmed for “Teen Mom” for, like, several minutes a season. Hell, last season they didn’t even let her be filmed. They just showed her photos. It’s not like they agreed to let Carly be in every episode so far and are constantly changing their minds, saying, “No videos and no show!” It’s been, like, two years since the last time Carly was filmed on “Teen Mom”.

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        I see why people think it doesn’t look inconsistent and if you only watch the show and that’s it.

        But when you look at the timeline, they went back and forth a few times and it wasn’t clearly laid out on “Teen Mom”.

        For the visit you’re talking about when they only showed pictures, that was on Teen Mom. But they also filmed the Dr. Drew Adoption special right after they did that visit and they showed all this new footage of Carly and they let that air AFTER they said “pictures only”.

        Then the year after that they still wouldn’t let Catelynn and Tyler post photos but they put Carly on a national magazine cover.

        Those things aren’t all shown on the series so it’s not obvious. But yeah they say one thing and do another. I think for the examples I’ve just given, it was just to show they are in control. Which is fine. They ARE in control. It’s just the principle of the matter that bugs me. If they had just said from the start “we are the ones who will make decisions about when and how we share Carly with the public and we’d ask you to leave that up to us and not share her photos without permission”. Then that’s fine. At least it’d be honest and non-hypocritical. But they seem to have articulated something similar to that last night anyway so that’s good.

        Now I want to clarify again that I’m just talking about the principle of the matter with this issue. It is unarguable that they get to make the decisions and Catelynn and Tyler have to live with it. I don’t think they are terrible people because they went back on something they said. Who hasn’t? I think maybe some people are upset by my comments because maybe it sounds like I’ve made a conclusion on them by the one thing I’m commenting on, so let me clarify my thoughts on some of the grey area:

        I do agree that their most recent MTV appearance demonstrates a willingness to compromise and be considerate of Catelynn & Tyler’s feelings, even though they don’t have to do that. I think it was good of them to want to try and work through all their concerns. I do realize that adoption is very emotionally complicated for everyone involved and I think B&T’s hearts are in the right place. But like anything that is of sensitive nature, it’s hard to know the best way to express things and deal with things and mistakes will be made (I feel the same applies to C&T). I’m sure it’s difficult for them to face some of the things they have with adoption and especially with being in the public eye. I’m annoyed with some things they’ve done but they’re only human and the fact that they seem to have value for Catelynn & Tyler and want to keep them in their lives when they have every right to walk away says good things about them. A lot of people on here act like they should close things off, and many other adoptive parents would have done so already. But they want to work at it and keep things open and that shows a lot of graciousness. I really respect them for that and for still expressing love even while facing a very difficult situation head-on.

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        OH, hi Tyler and Catelynn.

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        Lol I think you just mean “Hi Tyler” but yes I get your point. I don’t agree with most of what Tyler says. The only thing I agree with is that it’s weird that B&T go back and forth about wanting to be on TV. And even Brandon agreed on the episode tonight that it didn’t look consistent so whatev.

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        Eh, if their worst crime is being inconsistent, then it’s whatever. They don’t seem like they want to appear on TV all the time or anything. I’d rather have that than Tyler acting like Carly is his property or saying that he wishes he had placed her with a different family every single time he doesn’t get his way.

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        I don’t think they are inconsistent. Their thing is they want to protect her privacy as much as possible, which is exceedingly difficult these days even without having appeared on a tv show a couple times before. They have made it that they want to be the ones in control of what is released, which makes complete sense. They obviously did the appearance to show they could compromise, and were very clear about their boundaries with it. I don’t see it as being hypocritical or confusing at all.

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        because they say that they don’t want Carly publicly shared at ALL, not that they want to be choosy about how it happens. But it looks like they’re figuring things out as they go so maybe that’s why.

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        Inconsistent..perhaps, but I think it has more so been a steady decline in how much of her they want show. Either way, hypocritical or not, the point is that THEY (B&T) are the parents, so THEY (B&T) make the decisions about where and when Carly will be seen. Tyler seriously seems to think he has partial custody of Carly, he seems to really believe his opinions MUST be considered before decisions are made. He doesnt get it. And as many have said above Dawn not properly explaining it to them and continuing to make them feel like they have a bigger role than this do is a big part of the problem, but also, common sense. And if you are going to give talks on open adoption, maybe learn something about it first. I dont know who would ever book them on a speaking engagement. Sorry went a little off the original topic there lol

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        If Tyler delusional thinking makes him believe he has ANY rights to Carly in ANY way at all ( and I do NOT believe he does) then he can put HIS MTV money in a trust for Carly’s college! Yeah right! He profits from her- he exploits her- B & T want her life private! He needs to stop saying her name and discussing the situation constantly- that’s the point.

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        I agree that they have the rights to make the decisions and C&T don’t. That’s a legal fact so disagreeing with that would be pretty silly. I know I’ve got a lot of down votes for this topic and I’ve got an unpopular opinion, but if people think I’m trying to suggest they don’t make the decisions, I’m not saying that.

        Also I’m not sure about the appropriateness of suggesting that Dawn didn’t shoulder the responsibility of making sure everyone was on the same page before proceeding with the adoption. Finding “matches” is in her job description. She’s an adoption “professional”. Yeah, I think it was up to her to do things properly and ethically, but she didn’t.

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        I think it that because they are her parents they want to be the ones making the decisions about Carley being publicized. They obviously are happy to have her in the spotlight a bit but only at their discretion. But regardless if they are hypocrites or not they are her parents and tye can btfo

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    Catelynn just seems like she’s genuinely touched by this. Tyler seems like he’s feeding off the room to find out how to react to other humans.

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    Teresa is a saint. That gift made me want to cry.

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    I’m honestly almost in tears…the grace B&T are showing is beyond anything that Tyler could ever deserve. Caitlynn maybe. But wow they’re incredible. Giving them Carly’s old stuff?

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    Gary, WHAT THE FUCK. “You never know…” Gee, why do you think Kristina is crying? He’s such a pos!

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    Gary come on. You know exactly what you’re saying. He is so emotionally abusive it makes me sick.

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    GODDAMN, GARY!! You’re not this oblivious, you’re just an ass. You revel in this. The whole girls fighting over your fat, balding, gelatinous face. (Which, I still maintain, has started to fight back against your mistreatment and is eating all the hair off your face.) You know damn well what you’re creating and what you’re doing to these obviously already fragile girls. Fuck right off.

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    19 minutes left, B&T didn’t give it to Tyler like I had hoped, Ryan passed out, and no sign of Farrah. Another wasteful Monday night.

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    My god, Kristina is pathetic. I cringe every scene with her and Gary.

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    One of my biggest soapboxes and rants is girls should help girls. And I really feel like in ways both girls are trying to help the other with Gary. Christina is like you’re leading her on and messing with her and that’s not right. And amber is like he’s got a pregnant girlfriend at home he shouldn’t be talking like this. Fucking gary…how does he do this to women but still have them (in ways) fighting over him?

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    Gary and Kristina, these two were meant for each other. One gave up her child the other is messing with his ex while his gf is pregnant. A couple of douches if you ask me. And Kristina, to leave your kid for this “man” who keeps flirting with his ex; pathetic.

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    Where the FUCK is Farrah?! I keep forgetting she’s even supposed to be on until each episode is almost over. She’s like the genital warts I never, ever want but I’m still kind of curious to know how those who have to deal with them manage on a daily basis.

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    I’m not sure if Gary refused to leave because he’s a defiant jerk or because he didn’t want to go through the trouble of hoisting himself off the couch.

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    “I did not say I didn’t want the kid.”

    So you and Kristina saying that the baby was unwanted last episode never happened, Gary?

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      Lol he was like “I never said I didn’t want it!” then it was hard to hear but he then said “I said it was an ACCIDENT”. Oh thanks for clarifying the semantics Gary. Totally changes everything!

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        “The baby is an accident. That means it wasn’t supposed to happen.”

        Gary explaining his new unborn child to his six-year-old daughter. Why do these people say and do horrible shit on camera and then act like it never happened when confronted about it? It seems like everybody on “Teen Mom” except for the kids have gotten even stupider than they were when they were teenagers.

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        And basically said “You were an accident too but I took care of you.” Disgusting.

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    Love how Gary tries to argue back at Amber when she’s telling him not to call her about this and that, but when she says “Don’t call me talking about your penis”, he just says “Okay.” Doesn’t even deny it. Like wha? Is he proud? I don’t understand him

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    When we saw this scene with Amber and Gary in a sneak peek I was like oh no Amber is backsliding. Now that I see it in context I am 1000000% team Amber.

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    “Gary, come over so we can talk.”

    “Omg Gary gtfo I don’t want to talk to you!”

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      To be fair, he was exceptionally difficult to look at this scene. Is he waxing all his body hair off, eyebrows and all?

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        On twitter she said it lasted over an hour so im sure at this point she was sick of him not admitting any wrong doing. Him being there didn’t serve a purpose because he refused to really work with her and honestly, I’d probably react like that too.

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    Hahahaha did anybody see Farrah’s tweet? She goes “gary can you even see your penis anymore” Oh my god I love it.

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    LOL that Amber asked Gary to come over and “talk”, and she didn’t let Gary say a single word. She just yelled at him and kicked him out. Which is what he deserved!

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    Did anyone see that Ryan tweeted at Farrah “can you contact me?” six hours ago?!

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    So are people admitting that Maci is basically an alcoholic? I feel like she mentions drinking every single episode lol.

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      Why aren’t you getting married now? Cuz I wanna get drunk at my wedding!!

      Why get drunk at your own wedding?? Shouldn’t you I don’t know – want to remember the day?

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        I know I drink the Maci Kool-Aid but I mean, when my partner and I were talking about trying for a baby we were like “Not this year, all our milestones/friends’ important birthdays are this year and I want to be able to drink at these events”. I totally want to drink at my wedding? Like is this a cultural thing that it’s weird for Maci to say that?

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        1. If you need alcohol to have a good time then you have issues. This is why I can’t stand most new 21 year olds. It’s like they become temporary alcoholics and forget what having a good time actually means… Maci is stuck in that stage forever it seems. I’d probably dislike Chelsea less if she grows out of it.
        2. There’s a difference between drinking and getting drunk. It’s one thing to want to have a drink at your wedding. It’s another to get smashed. It’s kinda sad that our society’s idea of a good night is one you “won’t remember”. As said above, I want to remember my wedding.

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        I don’t think it’s weird at all, just because you want to drink at those events doesn’t mean that you’re going to get fully blown drunk. I’d be pretty frustrated myself if I couldn’t have any drinks on my wedding day and party, I mean just the toast I’d like to have. Fun doesn’t equal booze, and booze doesn’t equal fun. But you know what does go well together? White wine and fish and a beer with fries, at big events like that I’m going to be damn sure I’ll be enjoying it the fullest. And that’ll be with the right drinks by the food and with the right company, and not getting to the point of not remembering anything.

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        I don’t think it’s weird either. I was definitely tipsy at my own wedding (by midnight, anyway). If you’re planning on doing a big reception/party, it would really suck to be the one person there who couldn’t drink, especially once you’ve paid a fuckton of money for the open bar.

        Then again, I’m firmly in the marriage-before-babies camp, so it all worked out just fine.

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        I agree with you, wings! But I’m the only straight edge person I know >.<

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        I didn’t say it’s weird. I’m really saying the opposite, that it is normal and it’s sad that we live in a society where our “good time” is dependent on mind altering substances. I had alcoholics at my wedding and out of respect for them I didn’t want alcohol at my wedding. Because I have awesome friends who have a healthy relationship with alcohol, not many people cared, but omg the ones who did practically threw a fit. Mostly family friends who I didn’t care if they came anyway, but that’s when I really started to realize how ridiculous it all is. (and we all had a blast that night, no complaints afterward). Kail shake that’s awesome you’re straightedge! I don’t claim because I’m not really into the music, but I really want to meet some straightedge people or at least others that value sobriety in my area. I loooove my current friends but I’m very social so the more the merrier, and it’s nice to have a couple people who get me. And I’m in the marriage-before-babies camp too:P

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      When she told her friends she was pregnant, she was like bam: I need a beer!

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        Yeah Maci is so dependent on alcohol that she practically is an alcoholic!! And Mimi Jen and Papa Larry aren’t even a little concerned about it. I wonder why her own parents haven’t made much of an appearance this season. Although Maci herself hasn’t been getting all that much airtime this season. She used to get the most.

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        I noticed that, too, and was going to mention it but totally forgot. It seems like Maci has the least amount of screen time this season when in previous seasons she was always the golden goose and treated the best. It really felt like the Amber and Catelynn Show yesterday night with special appearances by Maci. I wonder if this is MTV’s way of getting back at her for trying to quit, or maybe they realize just how boring her storyline truly is and are acting accordingly.

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      I think this was two episodes ago, and I was so suprised it didn’t make the recap. It was by far the best line this season at it was regarding you Maci’s Associates, when she went to meet her friend at her school and the friend goes, “How many years have you been going here? NINE? Geeze you’re like Van Wilder!” lmao!

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    WHY does no one address to the children girls can play football? FOR SHAME MimiJen

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    I wanna get drunk after my wedding surprise surprise…

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    What the fuck, MTV. Why advertise ALL week long that Farrah was coming back but she never appeared once the entire episode? How stupid. They’ll do anything to get ratings on this sinking ship of a show.

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    Well papa Larry just sick burned Shelby and any of Rhine’s exs. I thought that was sweet though, Maci’s relationship with Rhine’s parents.

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    This conversation is confusing. What does Tyler mean, that Teresa is more accepting of “what it is?” The only person who’s having trouble accepting “what it is” is Tyler. And why does he never have any facial expressions except for annoyance and irritation?

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    So Farrah finally graced us with her presence, like, three minutes before the episode is over. WTF?

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    Translation: I just don’t like that you guys are having a conversation that isn’t about me so…

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    “I just dont even like that you’re having a fake, wannabe conversation-” Really, Farrah? Already? Jesus. Why. I’m not one for violence but she makes me want to hit things or people.

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    Dude, Farrah is MESSED UP. Her mother’s having a chirpy, happy conversation with the producer and Farrah gets mad because she thinks it’s too fake? She literally went from zero to sixty over nothing. She and Tyler should try dating each other. They really compliment each others’ narcissism and superiority complex.

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    Did Trash-Claw just tell Sophia candy causes cancer? Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

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    “I’m gonna go see my mom and make sure she’s alright.”-Sophia. Cuuuuute kid.

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    Bahahahaha…Gary was parked and texting but preemptively had to pull his belly up and out of the way so that his steering wheel could turn properly. Jesus god.

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    We watched for Farrah and only got footage we had already seen before.

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    Let’s all say it together now.

    “THIS IS OVER. I’M DONE.”

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    “I already went to counseling for it, and I’m not going to talk about it anymore. I need my 4 year old to be more mature than I am right now…” Oh Farrah, you are so desperately mentally ill.

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      She went to counseling over it but pretty sure she said prior to them wanting her back that she didn’t care and she didn’t want back on the show… hmmm… me thinks someone is in denial.

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      I felt bad for her for like, a second, because clearly her feelings are just really hurt but she wants to act like she’s easy breasy and it’s not a big deal to her. But it clearly is. Then she can’t channel her pain properly so she just treats everybody like shit and she just comes off as such an ugly person which is the reason she was rejected from the show in the first place…. What in the hell is it going to take for her to stop acting that way?

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        More than counseling apparently. Every counselor or therapist she sees just feeds into her “woe is me” syndrome. It would be great for her and those around her if someone could snap her into reality and teach her how to cope and handle her emotions without being a “I’m better than everyone” mega bitch.

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        I struggle with Farrah because while she is an awful person who makes terrible decisions and treats people like crap it is clear she is very very damaged. It’s not easy having a baby at 16 and it’s not easy for your child’s father to die. Especially when you are so young. Being 16 is a weird age anyway without all of these much more mature issues to deal with. While Debra and Michael seemed to be ok parents in the first few seasons aside from Debra and her crazy reaction to Farrah in the car and some other dodgy behaviours it has become clear they are enablers of Farrah and don’t offer her good guidance. I would love to see Farrah own up to her mistakes, acknowledge where she has done wrong, find a nice normal guy and try and become happy in her own skin and be the mother Sophia deserves but I can’t see it happening any time soon unfortunately.

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        She should see Leah’s Dr.

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      Who goes to counseling over not being part of the return of a show that you said you didn’t want to be a part of anyway? She’s so fucking brain dead

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    Does the promo for next week look any good?

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    I can’t believe I am going to say this, but I cannot imagine how Farrah must feel that her daughter looks exactly like Derrick. We all know they had an awful relationship, but I am sure she loved the guy in her own sick twisted way. Now she is reminded of his face every single time she looks at her daughter. That must the the reason why she leaves her so much.

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      I wonder if she’s glad she looks like Derek considering Farrah hated her original face so much.

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      I think you’re onto something here. We all know that she initially wanted an abortion but Debra wouldn’t allow it. From what we’ve seen, Derrick was an asshole and the few conversations we heard between them were full of red flags. I’ve worked with kids whose parents abused them because their appearance or behaviors reminded them of their former partner. I don’t think Farrah outright abuses Sophia (she just had no idea how to deal with her) but I think that her time away from her is somewhat rationalized by this. She didn’t want Sophia, and the worst environment for a child is one in which they are unwanted.

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    Dear Deborah, allow me to quote the great Janis Ian, “You’re plastic. Cold, shiny, hard plastic.” wtf happened to your face?!?

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    Gawddd. My ex was just like Gary in that he would be with other people yet totally pull that bullshit of acting flirty and trying to hook up. I honestly do not understand the behavior at all. It’s like, what do you really hope to gain out of that situation? Control by making other people feel like shit? I don’t understand the thought process, but the behavior is hurtful.

    As for Tyler and Catelynn…I’m a broken record, but they need therapy to handle this adoption. It’s srsly painful to watch…Neither one of them has truly felt closure. Literally they are stuck in the same place as when they had Carly, just with more $$ thanks to MTV.

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    I was a little behind in catching this! Let’s just be real, Tyler’s alpha male mannerisms and puffery need to stop. For whatever reason this episode, they were especially annoying. The more I see of Gary, the even more disgusted I am. Has anyone else noticed that both gary and tyler have been unnecessarily arseholeish to their pregnant girlfriends? Rhine was really talkative tonight, before he left like always. Im a big fan of his parents though, seriously. Papa Larry has no shame. As for Farrah, I think she could learn a lot from Sophia. Sophia seems to genuinely care about pepeople’s feelings. I’d still love to see amber put tyler in his place. We all knew that gary was hungry…apparently he’s thirsty too. We’ll see how that develops…

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    Semi-off topic: Anyone see Mama Dawn’s post on Leah’s Official Page? “TRUE FANS listen up. Leah is NOT going to rehab lol. This is Momma Dawn and I 100% ASSURE you that Leah is NOT going to a DRUG REHAB. Lots of LOVE to the true fans. all will come out on the upcoming show about Leah Dawn Calvert, Jeremy, Corey,Miranda, and the babies. But rest assure I HATE drugs don’t want association with them and wouldn’t NEVER Condone them. Love ALL have a good night Momma Dawn”

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    I’m late to the live commenting, but I think Ryan is doing SO much better on this back half of the season. And I love his silver hair get up. I felt sad for him when everyone wanted him to talk about what was going on with Shelby and he didn’t want to talk about it. Maci looks really old :/ even my husband said “damn she looks like she’s 30 already.” I’m guessing the baby is draining her energy here. I’m ready for her reaction to FarrahReturnGate next Monday.

    Amber has done so well… I’m not looking forward to Matt showing his manipulative face next episode. Like… How can she be ready for a relationship when she JUST got done talking about how hard Gary having a baby was on her? I really hope she holds it together and sees past his crap… Especially with the cheating scandal coming to surface recently.

    Catelynn and Tyluhhhh… Eh. They need to thank the adoption Gods for B&T’s patience and grace and love for not only Carley, but Cate and Tyler. They seem like such genuine peopl, and when Cate and Tyler have so many UNgenuine people in their lives, B&T should be a treasure to them.

    And Farrah is Farrah is Farrah is Farrah…. Bitchy, whispery crying, and immature. Her heart is as plastic as her face and tatas.

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      I actually feel really sorry for Rhiiine. I really think his parents should have his back a bit more. Obviously he can be a total ass; but imagine if your parents overtly sided with your ex partner over absolutely everything. Even being filmed for national television smack talking you behind your back!

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    Of course Maci wants to get drunk after her wedding. She’s pathetic. Gary’s a jerk and so is Farrah.

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    Gary is so going to hold this against Amber. She’s going to really struggle to get any time with Leah,now.

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    What ever happened to Farrah’s little French Bulldog?

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      I think I remember them giving her to a neighbor when Farrah realized how much work she was since she wouldn’t shit on the toilet like a grown up

      remember when Farrah would stand with her hands on her hips and tell crying baby Sophia “Can you see yourself right now? Do you WANT to be acting like a baby?”

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        Didn’t she get another one in Florida? She gave away one and then bought another one….even though Sophia said she wanted a fish and not a puppy…

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        Farrah totally sucks for asking Sophia what she wanted but totally ignoring it anyway… But I don’t know how any kid would rather have a fish than a puppy you can actually play with.

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        Maybe Sophia didn’t want the dog to suffer haha

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        She got the French bulldog in Florida. She had like a little black rat terrier when she was living in her mom’s rental house. I remember this because that’s the one she put in diapers and would hold over a trashcan instead of walking the damn thing. And then she moved to Florida, unsure if she’d even be able to take care of her child on her own there, and immediately bought another goddamn puppy. (She’d tossed the previous puppy with someone else, I assume.)

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      It makes me so mad the way most of these girls go through pets. They seem to have different animals every season. I just hope the one that where never seen again went to better homes.

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    Just wanted to let you guys know I am currently watching a re-run of Teen Mom 2 on MTV. All the kids are babies, it’s such a blast from the past. It’s the episode where Jenelle meets Keiffer! The throwbacks are incredible lol

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    I wonder how Maci would have turned out had MTV never come along. She’s definitely lazy and lacks motivation but I don’t think she’s stupid. Perhaps without the “fame” and money she wouldn’t have been able to go partying every weekend and gotten her goddamn Associates or even Bachelors by now.

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      I don’t know, I feel like if not wanting to look silly in front of millions of people by taking six years to get an associates degree hasn’t motivated her to work harder, nothing will.

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      I can see it going both ways. On one hand, she looks like a fool for taking this long and she’s probably never going to have this much money again in her lifetime, so she should be motivated to finish school when not only are people watching but it’s going to be the easiest for her financially.
      On the other hand, I think it’s pretty much fact that if you hand a child an absurd amount of money there’s a 99% chance they’re going to be an idiot with it. I wouldn’t be surprised if her mentality is “I just got half a million dollars (if that’s true). What do I need school for?!” I don’t think any of these girls have actually grasped the concept that this money isn’t going to last forever. Most of them are going to be completely screwed when it does finally dry up. No actual work experience, hardly any education… It’s going to be the worst wake up call.

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        I agree. We need to remember that these girls were handed tons of money and attention at 16. I can’t speak for you guys but I was a complete idiot at that age and probably would have blown all the money on vacations and Chipotle. I still think 90 percent of these girls are flat out idiots who wouldn’t go far with or without the show, but I feel like Maci MAYBE wouldn’t have turned into such a shitty person without MTV.

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        I feel like Leah would be the same either way though. DEFINITION of trailer trash.

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        She would definitely be the same. Jeremy probably would’ve never came along though. Ex husband #2 would have been some random lowlife that made a hell of a lot less than Jeremy.

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        Gary the Hairy Fairy I was so expecting your name. Thank you.

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        Oh yeah if I were handed that much money/fame I’d be so full of it.

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        See if I were handed that much money my parents would’ve sat my ass down and been like this is going into a bank so you can go to college. And you’re sure as hell not moving out because you’re 16 and we’re going to make sure you don’t waist your life away. I mean that’s part of the problem. Their parents decided that oh my kid has a kid ok I’ll let them do whatever they want now whether it’s in the kid’s best interest or not. That’s the only reason I kind of understood why Grangie held on so tight to Mack. Mack and Gannon wouldn’t have made it without Grangie… They would’ve been who knows where doing who knows what. That’s part of the problem is the parents stopped parenting once their kids became parents which it makes sense but these girls just weren’t responsible enough…. They needed the guidance and they stopped getting it.

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      I think Maci would probably be done college right now, or close to finishing, but her GPA would be utter shit. Like, she gives me the impression that the only reason she wanted to go to college wasn’t to get an education but to party it up hardcore without her parents hanging around or knowing. I think she’s probably always been a party girl, but it really got worse when “Teen Mom” started and she now had the money to party as hard and as long as she wanted to.

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        I think all kids think that way though. My 17 year old sister is always bragging about how she’s going to “move out” for college and not have anybody telling her what to do. Then she gets so pissed when I tell her that going away to college and having everything paid for you doesn’t count as moving out.

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        Omg I thought I was the only one who felt this way! As someone who stayed in the dorms in college and now lives in her own place in the real world, the two aren’t anywhere near the same. But I think kids just like the thought of “living away from their parents” that they think of it that way to make themselves feel better or something.

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        I feel the same way! My one friend and I lived together after college and it was COMPLETELY noticeable that she had only ever lived in the “apartment style dorms.” She called me freaking out because I made her set up the electric in her name and they didn’t ask for my name and information and, my god, HOW WAS THE ELECTRIC COMPANY GOING TO SPLIT THE BILL?! She was 24 at the time.

        It’s completely different to actually take care of yourself and to live in a dorm.

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        I’m glad you guys agree! In addition to the fact that lots of kids move back home after graduating. But when I told her might not find a job and apartment immediately after graduating she said and I quote “That’s what job fairs are for”

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        HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
        OMG your sister is adorable. Wait til that new penny shine comes off.

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    What bothers me most about Tyler is how he treats Carly like an object.

    He doesn’t recognize her as having rights of her own, the right to privacy particularly. It’s never about what’s right for Carly and best for Carly or what rights Carly has, it’s about Tyler saying “ME ME ME MEMEMEMEME. I want, I have the right, I am her birth father, I I I I III.”

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      True that. He looked genuinely surprised when Dawn mentioned how all these issues will ultimately affect Carly. He never once thought of her or her feelings or how she may handle the fact that he said these horrible things about her parents. Also, the fact that he wanted Nova born so he could post her pictures all over the place was very telling. He can’t pimp out Carly, but he can exploit Novalee for all she’s worth. After all, didn’t he and Catelynn finally share her photos after they got paid for them? That kid is literally nothing but a cash cow.

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      I loved Teresa’s face when he threw his bitch fit I’M GONNA POST A VIDEO. She looked at him like ok dumb ass I’m going to cut you off. He seriously cares more about his fans and followers than his daughter.

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    Where are Maci’s parents? we haven’t seen them all season

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    I definitely think that Catelynn and tyler are at a better place then when they were pregnant with carly. And that they are more mature and more capable of taking care of their new child. But there is no doubt that giving carly to Brandon and Theresa was the best thing. Carly seemed very smart and polite. And even from the back looked very well taken care of. that child woukd not have the normal life she has had. And they made a good decision those 5,6 years ago to let her grow up somewhere else. And I think they know they know they had made the right decision.

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      Not saying that they should’ve kept Carly, because they definitely shouldn’t have, but I think they were actually more mature when they were 16. At least Tyler was. He has regressed so much in the last 6 years, it’s really sad.

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        I agree. They—Tyler in particular—are worse off now then they were when they had Carly. When they were giving Carly up for adoption, they just seemed so grateful to find people who could not only give their baby a better life but were also intent on having C&T in their lives as well. And now they’re bitching about photos and videos and Tyler looks at Carly like she’s his property and he has every right to flaunt her no matter what. They also have no real jobs and no real education. Their relationship is even more toxic than it was five or six years ago. I mean, Tyler called off their goddamn wedding days before he and Catelynn were to get married. They are not ready at all to give Novalee a proper home. I’m not saying their situation is the worse ever to bring a child into, but they haven’t done ANYTHING to prepare for parenthood. They actually claimed they were ready for a baby because they were twenty-two and had their own home. As if that’s all that matters. It sounded like a couple of teenagers just playing house or something.

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        yes but they are by themselves instead of living with their messed up families and more able to pay for everything that is needed. I’m sure they could have given carly the love she needed. But I think everything woukd have been different. Because they woukd probably have to live with one of their parents which would leave fights to happen between them all because there would be a lot more stress with everyone involved. And there was so much telling. and b random and Theresa were the complete opposite ar the time when tyler and Catelynn had her. A lot of things would be different for them. Even though they arnt mature no, but still doesn’t mean they don’t know what to do. Their families are what would have ruined carly childhood for sure. wanting media attention doesn’t mean they are bad parents. I am sure they will grow up eventually lol

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        I still have to disagree. They are definitely worse off than they were six years ago. At least Tyler is. Catelynn is getting a little bit better, but just a little bit. They’re both incredibly self-absorbed when it comes to their “media attention” and pimping out Novalee’s photos only after they were paid for them. I also don’t see this summer wedding happening. If they do make it down the aisle, it’ll be a goddamn miracle.

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        Your argument is invalid. They still have those family members in their lives. Tyler talked about allowing Butch-adding addict who admitted he loves cocaine more than anything (including his kids)-to live in his house when he was released from prison. Mature decision, NOT. Tyler’s head has blown so out of control from the “fame” of Teen Mom that he can’t see straight. Cate has a lower self esteem so she has a Bette idea of it. But Tyler knows that without Carly he’s not relevant. That’s why he NEEDS to share photos and videos. To stay “famous”.

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        Yeah, that was really odd. They claimed they gave Carly up to get her away from the likes of Butch and April, but have no qualms inviting Butch to live with them and Novalee when he gets out of jail! Also, Butch apparently did get out of jail around Nova’s birth, but went back in shortly thereafter for violating his parole. So it’s clear he won’t change, and yet, I have a feeling Tyler will always let him back in and subject Nova to her grandfather’s drug-addicted antics. Truly the epitome of the all American family.

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      The show has just gone to their damn heads. It’s gone to everyones heads. that is why none of these people work or do shit with their lives except pop out more trap babies for TV.

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    Okay, so I haven’t watched the episode yet, so I know there will be much, much more to comment on, but all I have to say for now is this: REALLY MACI? The only reason you don’t want to get married before the baby is so you can get drunk at your wedding?!

    Ugh. The trashiest of the trashy trash.

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    b&t are a class act. carly is going to be so relieved that she escaped c&t’s trashtastic world when she’s old.

    gary is a douche. amber seems to be doing so well. i hope she and her superfan/staker/fiance don’t get back together. she can do better.

    maci is meh. i bet mimi jen cried buckets over the new baby. wonder if she’ll ask maci if she can have some of her maternity shots from this pregnancy so she can hang them on her walls and make everyone super uncomfortable.

    looking forward to watching farrah bring the crazy! also, sophia might be the most mature person on the show.

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      Oh yeah the whole we’re not disappointed in you from Jen and Larry…BS. They seem sweet though.

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        They’re stuck so far up Maci’s ass…. I mean I guess I kinda get it because she’s so good about letting them have Bentley but they trash talk all of Ryan’s new girlfriends and act like Maci is their daughter and even said that Maci was like a daughter to them. That’s gotta be hard for Ryan.

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        The trash talk is pretty stupid but overall I think it’s cool that they have such a close relationship in spite of everything, but I’m one who does think it’s important for kids to see their grandparents. So I’m glad they get along for Bentley

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        My in laws are the same with their oldest sons ex girlfriend/baby mama. They always said if the baby mama got pregnant by someone else they would treat that child the same as their grandchild (which is ironic cause they don’t treat my child like a grandchild, and he is theirs!)

        In a NORMAL custody situation, the grandparents would never see the grandkids half siblings more than a handful of times in their life. I can count on one hand how many times I met my half-brothers other sisters. There is just no reason for me to see them. Ever.

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    I actually thought this episode had far more happening than the first few, but what really, really bothered me was the jumping around in time. MTV, don’t think we can’t tell. Maci and Amber celebrated Halloween, but Farrah was introduced around Christmas. Then there was that pointless visit to the radio station from Maci when they were talking about Kanye, and the Grammys were February 8th, a nice whole month after Novarly was born. Jesus God MTV, what a shit timeline you have.

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      God her radio show is so stupid. It just adds to her vanity…

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      Right! And they think we know nothing about pregnancy either apparently! They go from a fake finding out she’s pregnant via a stick (1-2months), then having a gender reveal party (4-5months) to a baby shower the next episode (around 8 months/9months) to the diabetes testing (6-7months) and now she’s going to be in labor (9months)?! Stop jumping all around, MTV! We aren’t freakin stupid -.-!

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    Holy balls over 300 comments already!

    AYM: Gary is such a dick. Even though Amber yelled I’m proud of her for not running back to Gary or beating him. He’s a pos, and manipulative. She needs to listen to “bubby” her brother, he’s a smart man and comparing Gary to prison was the best analogy ever. I REALLY don’t like the look of the new guy in her life though ick…he just screams to me that he’s using her for $$$ but I could be wrong.

    Maci: This bitch is just so full of it. I love Larry…I see where Rhine gets his hotness. Lol it seemed filmed in a way to make Rhine seem jealous about the pregnancy but I don’t think he has enough brain cells to even form that thought. I did swoon when he lifted up his shirt though…

    Farrah: Lol I’m so glad this cunt is back. I like seeing her treat everyone like shit. It’s just so ridiculous that I can’t even be mad. i get where she’s coming from, they didn’t want her now they do…but you accepted the offer so wtf. Crazy broad… I love Sophia.

    Cate: Loved seeing Carly (or not seeing her), she seems like a sweet little girl. i wish we could see her too. I think tyler is ridiculous BUT it’s kind of stupid that Brandon adn Teresa are already on TV…people already know you from the show.. but I think it’s smart they protect theier kids and I know they have a son now too. I’m so torn on the weight issue with Cate. I think she’s overeating because she can actualyl enjoy this pregnancy, maybe eating her feelings a bit about giving up Carly etc. But she does not need to gain an unhealthy amount of weight. Tyler is a little bitch. I rolled my eyes at the batman seats in the car.

    Also LOL can we talk about Gary’s mom with the blue eyeshadow and bright pink lipstick? I feel mean but geez…wtf. Also Christina looks liek Gilly from Game of Thrones as someone mentioned before. HOW SAD taht she doesn’t feel good enough for Gary. Low confidence does wonders…

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    – Amber : Gary is an ass, and a disgusting one at that. He’s expecting a baby with his long time gf yet he thinks it’s ok to continue leading Amber on? I really think that he started dating Kristina just because Amber was in prison, and when she went, he thought she was going to stay 5 years instead of less than 2. And since he wanted to make Amber jealous, instead of breaking up with Kristina after Amber’s release, he continued his relationship with her. But it all got complicated when she got pregnant.
    One thing on Amber’s reaction to gay flirting with her though. She said that before Kristina got pregnant, it was fine (or something like that), does it mean that Gary’s flirting and acting inappropriately wasn’t one sided? I dont know, but that was the impression I got. Especially since Amber said that Kristina’s pregnancy made it clear that she was never going to get back together with Gary.

    – Farrah : she ad something about not being so crazy after all since MTV asked her back? Oh, honey, they asks you back BECAUSE you are crazy. She’s just as rude and self centered as she was when teen mom ended. No surprise there. While it was sweet of Sophia to comfort her mom, it was really sad to see that at just 5 years old, she has to comfort her mother because her mother is an egocentric drama queen.

    – Maci : Gosh, can she be any more boring? I can’t even remember what she did this week.

    – Catelynn : I really wanted to punch Tyler (and his tiny head) while watching the show. Especially when he was saying the more B&T wanted to stop them from posting pictures, the more he wanted to do it (or something close to that). And him asking what the difference was between them putting Carly in front of a magazine and them posting pictures online. You know what the big difference is Tyler? B&T are Carly’s parents, that means that they get to make all of the decisions and you have no say. It may seem hypocritical to you, but there’s nothing you can do about it, you are a birth father, that means you gave up your rights.

    When Tyler asked them why they agreed on a semi open adoption when they wanted a closed one and Theresa said “because I liked you guys”, while incredibly sweet of her, I really wanted her to say that they agreed because they really wanted a child and they and to compromise. Sometimes you have to give up something important to you to get what you want. And that’s exactly what Tyler needs to do, if remaining a part of Carly’s life is so important to him, than he needs to compromise, he needs to respect B&T’s wishes to not post pictures/videos of their daughter.

    B&T giving C&T Carly’s old clothes and toys was incredibly sweet and big of them.

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    This season just seems so rushed. Like there’s not enough story so everything gets pushed into an episode to fill it out. It’s definitely boring. Thankfully the crazy train has arrived!!

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      That’s the thing there’s plenty of story but they’re trying so hard to make them seem so much more mature and grown up when they’re really not so they’re having to edit the shit out of everything to cover it up and it’s not as interesting as it could be.

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    I’m not sure if this was ever addressed but when it comes to having Tyler and Catelynn around, what does Carly view them as? Like I know its easier to play this off when the kid is young and tell them “hey, we’re gonna go see some of our friends today!” But at six years old, I’m really curious as to what Brandon and Theresa tell her. I know its an open adoption but I wonder how they present this.

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      I think Carly knows that C&T are her birth parents. Theresa said that Carly knew all about adoption. So since already knows she’s adopted, she may know who her birth parents are.

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        I agree, and in every visit, they’ve referred to C&T by their first names. I think Carly knows exactly who they are 🙂

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        I’m not sure if Carly knows that C&T are her birth parents. I forget what was exactly said, but Brandon said that Carly only knows that she’s adopted. I don’t think she knows who Catelynn and Tyler really are. Unless she does and I completely missed it.

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        It wasn’t specifically said that Carly knows that C&T are her birth parents, but because Theresa said that Carly knew all about adoption, I figured she did know who her birth parents are.
        Especially since Carly has a little brother who was also adopted. So when B&T were explaining to Carly about adoption, they may have told her that her and her brother have different birth parents.

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        She might think that they’re just family friends whom she only sees once or twice a year.

        I’m not sure when the proper age is to tell a child he or she is adopted, or that the “family friends” are actually her birth parents. I think Carly does know she’s adopted right now, but considering how unique her situation is, I don’t know if B&T have told her who C&T really are. It’s careful waters they have to tread right now.

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        I feel like she knows, or she’s going to figure it out. She looks freaking exactly like them, at least in older pictures.

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        I haven’t watched the episode yet, but just my 2 cents: my brother was adopted at age six (so, Carly’s age). he had been passed around through foster care since he was three so he obviously was very aware of adoption. His mother did not willingly give him up but was a drug addict and lost custody. At age six on adoption day, he told my parents that this was the best day of his life because now he had a real family with a mom and dad who loved him. Six doesn’t seem very old, but it is old enough that a child can at least comprehend why they were adopted and I’m sure she can handle knowing who her birth parents are.

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        I think she knows. That’s pretty common with modern open adoption to always have an open dialogue with the child to know what adoption is and know who their birth parents are. Many studies have shown that keeping it a secret until a child is older is actually very damaging to an adoptee. I haven’t seen or heard anything from either B&T or C&T to suggest that Carly doesn’t know exactly who her birth parents are. Also with the public knowing who they all are, keeping it a secret would be impossible especially once she starts elementary school.

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        I’d hope she knows otherwise how weird is it for her that these two random kids see her once a year and bring her presents all the time. That’s a little weird.

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        It’s probably not that weird right now but in a year or two she might be confused. My five year old would just be happy someone is bringing him gifts and wouldn’t question it lol

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    The best part about last night’s episode: http://imgur.com/yPz1wmb

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    I am super proud of Amber! You go girl! She is taking zero shit from Gary. Does he have another shirt?

    Farrah is just a raging bitch.

    Not defending Maci or anything but why do people think its ok to ask someone if they are getting married right after a pregnancy annoucement? Its no one bussiness! They don’t have to be married to be good parents.

    I really have no complaints about Cate but Tyler just makes me want to backhand him in the mouth. The way he talks and comes at people is annoying.

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      Ya I actually like maci more this season than other seasons/being maci. I wish it would have showed them calling/texting the candies people and telling them “oops sorry I’m lregnant, but can I keep getting money for speaking about safe sex!?” Or however that conversation went

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    Good for Amber for moving on. Gary’s mom had on makeup because she was wearing a costume. It was Halloween time.

    Ryan left again.

    C&T’s segment got my tear eyed. Seems like they did a good edit and made the conversation look civil.

    Farrahs back. I would have liked some recap. I understand her feelings, but explain it on camera. You’ve got the floor,don’t hide in the corner and cry.

    Lot of dv’s tonight. Getting one dv consistently – you probably have a hater. Getting 4, 6, 8 dv’s consistently means you’ve pissed off some ppl, either by being overly argumentative, being up on a high horse or by going off topic and sharing too much.

    I think we all just want to get on here,make some jokes, talk some shit and move on.

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    In the scene where Maci tells Ryan, it was like he had a personality transplant or something. He looked so…awake and alert. He spoke in a voice louder than a mumble and didn’t really seem annoyed. I saw the good luck comment as just something you say, not really meant to be “good luck dealing with Maci”. If they’re already in February with her, there’s really nothing to show. Guess the rest of the season will be about her self-righteous “quitting” but not actually quitting.

    Tyler was still an ass. He’ll go back and forth saying what B&T want to hear, then immediately say some stupid shit about posting a video to punish them for not explaining themselves.

    Gary just gets more and more intolerable. It’s always hilarious when people try to deny things that were on camera that thousands of people saw. Shortly after he denied saying he didn’t want the kid, I’m pretty sure I heard him mention not wanting it. Or maybe I’m hearing things. He’s an asshole either way though. Going on and on and on about “you never know” to Kristina. Still baffled as to how he gets any girls. Amber yelled, but I think anyone would. How old is Bubby? He seems like her younger, wiser brother, but he seems quite young to have 2 kids. Based on what we’ve seen though he’s a very sensible, mature person, so I’m not criticizing, just wondering.

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      I’m pretty sure he’s older. On 16&P, he was already deployed and Amber was around 18.

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        Interesting. I think I vaguely remember her having an older brother. Didn’t she meet Gary through her brother? Like Gary called her house looking for the brother but got Amber instead and they got to talking? Not sure how many siblings Amber has but it could be Bubby then.

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        Shawn Sr. and Tonya had three children – Shawn Jr. (Bubby), Amber, and Candace. Candace died of SIDS. Nine Inch Nells is correct, he was deployed while Ambie was pregnant, and is older. He has appeared on the show sporadically since he doesn’t live in Indiana. Barrier is right too, Gary and Bubby were friends and that’s how Amber met him. Likewise, Bubby KNEW Gary, and never approved of their relationship.

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        I guess Shawn lives in Nashville now. That’s where Amber, her mom, and Krystal were headed to for his graduation a few episodes back. I know they were on I65 South because there was a camera shot of the interstate sign for Louisville/Bowling Green. I live in Bowling Green, it’s an hour north of Nashville.

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    If Rhine keeps up this whole “being alert” thing going I might have to change my nickname….

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    Long time lurker, just made an account. I haven’t read through these comments yet as I still have about 10 minutes left of the episode to watch, but man, i gotta give mad props to Amber! As an addict myself, I know how even the smallest, insignificant things can really be a trigger to relapse. I’m so proud of her for getting through how shittily Gary treats her without using! I think if I were her I definitely would have punched him in his smug face by now.
    On a more positive note, even though Maci annoys me sometimes, it’s really sweet to see what a good relationship she has with Ryan’s parents. And it was a pleasant surprise to see how nice Ryan was about it when they told him!

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    ‘Sometimes I don’t think I’m good enough for you’….for GARY? Gary Butterball Shirley?!!? This girl needs some therapy, stat. Her glassy eyed stare is beginning to freak me out.

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    A few thoughts on last night’s episode…

    Catelynn- she tried to reason with Tyler, he is just so ridiculous. Wasn’t he the one who wanted the adoption in the first place, threatening to break up with Catelynn if she didnt do it? & no he hates it and wants Carly back. Another thought I might get downvoted for. I DO NOT HAVE KIDS BUT if I did and i wanted to spank my child for being bad, I can. Can anyone else? No. It relates to Brandon and Theresa. They can post pictures on magazines, etc but Catelynn and Tyler can’t. They’re the parents. Besides Brandon and Theresa have control over who is going to see their kids, a fan page with 400,000 people? They have no idea who they are. Also, did anyone notice Theresa was still wearing her charm bracelet from the 16 & Pregnant episode? Cate hasn’t been wearing hers & “I’m never going to take it off!”

    Maci- I’m probably going to get downvoted for this too-but oh well. I understand she needs to have a relationship with Mimi Jen and Larry but it was kind of a slap in the face to say it’s her second parents when she’s in a serious relationship with someone else. I’m in this position so I feel like I can relate a little bit. There’s no problem in the world keeping in contact, espically with the way Ryan is, but dont you kind of cut the cord with the whole second family thing when you and Ryan break up? & with Ryan, I can understand him walking away when the subject changed to Shelby, he doesn’t want to go on national television and talk about his relationships and I understand that. He agreed to talk about Maci and her pregnancy not his and Shelby’s problems.

    Amber- Although I 100% agree that Gary deserved that yelling because he’s a douche, but she called him over to talk and didn’t really let him. At the end of this “talk” what was solved? Nothing. If they talked and said “leave me alone” or “stop sending me dick questions” then maybe it would actually stop and an an understanding would be met. & Why does she NEVER drive her car? lol

    Farrah- I literally have nothing to say.