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This Week in Teen Mom News

1. Ashley Salazar confirms her miscarriage to Radar Online

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Ashley sold the sad news to Radar, saying that at her 8 week appointment, the doctors found out that she was only measuring around 6 weeks pregnant.  Sadly, Ashley decided to go ahead and get the D&C procedure done, and it appears that she’s recovered pretty well.  Ashley also says that once everything is healed up, she can start trying to conceive again, which both she and boyfriend, Justin Lane, are excited about.

2. Jenelle and Nathan are somehow linked to some girl getting beat up by some other girl

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Some girl named Anna Davis, who was apparently on Buckwild, beat up by another girl, named Kat Scholato who is Taylor Burt’s (he’s from Myrtle Manor I guess) girlfriend. That right there is enough to make my head spin.  Anyway, Jenelle got involved in this crap, and then Starcasm ended up writing a story about it, and Jenelle took to Teen Mom Truth to give her “real” side of the story.  I linked both of them, so you can read for yourselves, but I’m confused as to what even happened, or why Jenelle was involved in the first place.  In true Jenelle fashion, there are a lot of screen shots of text messages.

3. Chelsea Houska adds another pet to her family

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Chelsea has a lot of animals already, but she’s decided to add one more dog to the mix.  Her newest puppy, pictured above, is a 13 week old Great Dane puppy whom Chelsea named Phil.  Phil and Aubree seem to be getting along pretty well so far, which is always a good thing.  Chelsea said that she had wanted a Great Dane for a long time, so when the opportunity arose, she couldn’t say no to little Phil.

4. The 16 & Pregnant “Life After Labor” special has been announced

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In the past few seasons of 16 & Pregnant, the “Life After Labor” special is filmed a few weeks before the season starts showing episodes.  This season, MTV has stepped up their production, and the episodes are coming out quicker than they have in previous seasons.  The special is set to film on May 23rd and 24th in New York City.  This will hopefully allow us to have more insight into the girls who are appearing on the second half of the season.  MTV has been toying with the idea of a Teen Mom 4, but the girls haven’t been notified of anything yet.  Rumor has it that a handful of the girls have been asked if they would renew contracts if the opportunity presented itself.

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  1. snow covered recliner says:
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    Of course Ashley sold her miscarriage story to Radar…

    • Wipes or Weed says:
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      Making money off of a miscarriage – how much lower can you really get?

    • A says:
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      I’m disappointed. I used to really support Ashley. She was so down to earth while she was blogging and on when she appeared on 16 & P. She clearly was struggling with her emotions and confidence but she seemed like a normal low-key girl. But now she’s just appearance and money obsessed. She could have easily blogged about it or tweeted it but no she sold the story. She’s clearly messed up over giving up her daughter for adoption and I feel for her on that because she was never totally sure about her decision and it clearly broke her. But she seems unwilling to cope with that in a reasonable way and she’s just distracting herself with alcohol, fame seeking, and an unhealthy relationship with a man who abandoned her while pregnant. I can no longer respect how she’s presented herself in past years. She’s out of touch with reality.

  2. Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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    Yup. Salazar just confirmed she’s a piece of shit. Anyone surprised?

    ….Anyone?

  3. reformedtmtreader says:
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    1. Sleazy Salazar should work on using her degree and getting a journalism degree instead of having a trap baby by a scrub who dropped out of Quad C (colloquial name for the community college Justin was attending). She probably can’t though because you have to have a modicum of integrity. At the best she’ll end up somewhere like TMZ.

    2. Kaiser Kountdown is upon us. He’s due next month right? I never have anything to say about Jenelle because honestly, whats left to be said? She doesn’t give a shit, never has and probably never will.

    3. Id rather it be an overabundance of animals than babies like alot of the other girls. 2, 3 kids and can’t even order a mai tai when times get rough. I hope she’s still not giving up the booty to egghead mcfuckwad. Seriously there has to be guys other than him, his family and friends in South Dakota.

    4. I miss the days where MTV stood for Music TV, and VH1 stood for Video Hits number 1. Im aging myself, but anybody remember pop up video?? That was the best. But I digress they are really beating a dead horse 5 years down the road. Didn’t they do what they set out to accomplish and decrease America’s teen pregnancy rate? Talk about beating a dead horse.

    • reformedtmtreader says:
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      A journalism job* whoops! Sorry about that!

      • Sophias Binkie says:
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        Kaiser kountdown and egghead mcfuckwad got me rollin! Too funny..thanks, I really needed that laugh!

        • sophias pacifier says:
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          Hey nice user name :) lol I thought I was the only one.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          HA! Thanks! I was trying to come up with something funny..then and this was what I decided on. Then, I saw yours, and I was hoping you wouldn’t think I ripped you off! Love yours, too!

    • Nicole says:
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      Pop Up Video was awesome!!! VH1 did do some new episodes of it a couple years ago, I don’t know if they are still doing it though. I’d like it if they did the reruns with the music I actually liked.

      • Sophias Binkie says:
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        Hey..VH1 Classic airs old episodes of Pop Up Video. I watch it every time I catch it on!

      • L0 says:
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        F’in MTV… They show videos late night-early am for a few hours. Then it’s 18,000 episodes of Ridiculousness until they can show some new crappy scripted show, and it’s back to a Rob Dyrdek marathon. Channel really does suck now. Only gets those high ratings filming underage kids havin babies. So for now they’re sticking with that I guess.
        Whatever VH1 does, Idk, never watch it.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          I know! EVERY freakin day its Ridiculousness!

        • L0 says:
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          Lol, I have zero clue what that is all about.. Irritates me to even see it on the TV guide. It’s not like they don’t have a ton of other shit to pick from they could air.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          It’s kind of like Tosh.O. Just internet clips of people doing stupid shit. Then they make comments about them. Nothing special. :)

        • snow covered recliner says:
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          I know what is up with the all day 24/7 Ridiculousness..some times they air old episodes of 16 &P but come on. I remember when I was in middle school and when I came home they would have Daria on and then those reruns of My So Called Life.. Daria was my favorite

        • Jessica007 says:
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          I LOVE Daria lol. I loved it when I was in high school, probably because I could relate to Daria. I didn’t have glasses, but I was nerdy and socially awkward and have a younger, popular sister like Quinn. More recently I downloaded the entire series, the 2 movies, plus the Look Back in Annoyance. I then proceeded to watch Daria in bed every night before I went to sleep for about 5 months straight. Yes, I can admit I am that lame lol. I really wish MTV would make a 3rd Daria movie that takes place at her high school reunion. I watched that youtube fan made one and it was totally not the same.

        • L0 says:
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          If anyone in the US has Time Warner Cable, they actually have some Daria episodes on Entertainment on Demand channel under MTV, of course.

        • Uncle Junior says:
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          I was a total “Daria” in high school too. I even had my own Trent and everything…*ahem*.

          Awkward. was a great little show but the entire creative team up and left. It’s just not the same anymore but at least MTV can do decent stuff every once in a while – right?

          Ridiculousness can go fuck itself. It’s the only thing I find more odious than Teen Mom.

          Ashley Salazar what? lol

    • My name is Kaiser and my mom is a dumbass says:
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      Ashley recently graduated from the University of North Texas with a bachelor’s in Journalism and a minor in Marketing. she will probably keep bloging for jenelle it should be easy for this chick to get a job with one of these degrees. dont be anther jenelle and Nicole with the fake pregnancy and miscarriages.

      • Aleeahs Closet says:
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        Eh journalism jobs aren’t that easy to get, but she could snatch up a marketing assistant position and start paying her dues if she’d keep her mug off of Radar Online and, I’m guessing, Sulia.

        • reformedtmtreader says:
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          Dallas Morning News is one of the most widely disseminated papers in the country. You can’t tell me she couldn’t get an internship with them. There’s also D Magazine, Dallas Observer, and Texas Monthly, and every suburb has a local paper. She may not make much but she definitely has several opportunities for work.

          But you’re right, she cant shut her Donkey from Shrek trap long enough to build actual literary acumen and clout in the journalism world, or any other professional field for that matter.

        • Aleeahs Closet says:
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          In the grand scheme of things, that’s not a whole lot of options and forgive me but I know too many people who have tried the journalism route and there isn’t much out there, plus internships are highly competitive. She’s already graduated, so even if they did take her on it wouldn’t be any sort of experiential learning internship that she could have gotten in college. She’ll be somebody’s bitch, grabbing coffee, making copies, and answering phones. No real experience to be had.
          Marketing isn’t much better, but she could at least be gainfully employed as somebody’s bitch.

  4. Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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    Aaaaalso, come on, Chelsea. Another dog? A GREAT DANE for that matter? Let’s all cross our fingers that she actually spends time training this puppy. Small dogs + Aubree + great dane is going to be a disaster unless she’s ready to invest a lot of time and energy. I personally wouldn’t get a large breed after one of my small dogs was killed by a husky.

    • Wipes or Weed says:
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      I will admit that dog is adorable, but probably not the best idea with a small child and multiple other dogs in the house. Having an untrained large dog is not the same as a smaller dog. Large dogs knock things over, run into people, etc. (not always on purpose, but it happens).

      • Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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        He is absolutely adorable, but life is going to get a lot more difficult for Chelsea when the MTV money runs out and she has to focus solely on her career. Great Danes are usually great with kids if they’re trained correctly, but they are packed with energy.

        At least she has a large backyard for him, hopefully it’s a CLOSED backyard this time.

        • Creative Username says:
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          Not sure where you heard Great Danes are packed with energy, but they’re actually pretty lazy, just not when they’re puppies.

        • trashtvismyguiltypleasure says:
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          I don’t see Chelsea bothering to train him do you? She doesn’t really have much control over her own child. She’s really lucky Aubree is for the most part a well behaved child but look what happens during the times she’s not. Chelsea has no control over the situation and she throws tantrums and goes crazy and Chelsea’s response is to call her dad and complain to him. If she can’t control Aubree and she’s a human who understands what she tells her, how the hell is she going to control an animal? I have a small dog and she’s an absolute cutie but she’s so much work at the same time!!! We’re still training her at certain things and we’ve had her for over 6 months now, granted she’s still a puppy she’s only 1 lol

    • Its Called A Condom says:
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      I can see her tossing the dog away as soon as she realizes just how big he gets. Anything on the counters? Gone! Great Danes tails alone is sometimes like getting hit by a whip when they’re excited.
      None of her dogs seemed to socialized or professionally trained. I don’t understand why people think just because they get small dogs they don’t need to do these things. She’s going to be in for a real wake up call with this dog.

      • trashtvismyguiltypleasure says:
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        Sadly I can see that happening too and it’s just so sad and traumatic for the poor dog!! It’s not fun to feel unwanted and that’s what will happen when she gets rid of him.

    • ChelseasWeave says:
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      My friend’s daughter was almost killed a few months ago by a Great Dane that lunged at her and bit her entire forehead open. She had a skull fracture and severe concussion as well. Those dogs needs to be trained and handled by people who can do it properly.

      • Kails Sweet 16 says:
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        That’s terrible. I’ve always been scared of my friend’s Great Dane they’re just too big. And they don’t live for very long either. I love your name. Everyone is always saying how they love Chelsea’s hair and they wish they had hair like her but she wears fake hair just like Leah. Hers is just high quality. There was an episode when she didn’t have her weave in and her hair was all fried and stiff lol

        • River says:
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          Large breeds like Bull Matiffs and Great Dane’s have shorter lives in part because they’re so big. If you see them as puppies, they’re typically small and then they grow so fast their body can’t sustain it. It kinda sucks, but they’re also so sweet.

    • L0 says:
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      Haha, we can only talk on Chelsea for getting another dog. She needs a new something to spice up her life!! I like Chelsea, she’s positive, funny, good personality, smart yet dumb ..but for reality TV she’s now bland. However, that’s a result of her settling in life as an adult, finally focused and maturing. Always kept her daughters best interest a top priority which I respect, the fact she got a lot of help is not my business, she’s lucky to have that. Sprinkled in some unhealthy relationship drama, stemming from her insecurities with herself, Aubree and Adam, her broken families. Nothing so drastic on her end. She seems to be only getting better, good for her.
      In the real world, this kind of behavior and actions are relatively normal occurrences. Sometimes it’s a little like watching some my friends lives 6-7 years ago, struggling as young mothers, still immature, wanting the family,hooking up with the douche bag dads off and on till they finally grew up and moved on.

  5. Factual Hater says:
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    I knew about the life after labor special filming in NYC because I live here and I’m subscribed to a few websites that get the audiences together for these things. I went to the teen mom 3 reunion special and a teen mom 2 catch up special!! It was really awesome to see the girls in real life and actually hear them speaking off camera (I can share some stories if you guys want). Either way, I’m going to be away for memorial day weekend and won’t be able to attend, but since I love this site and community so much I wanted to share the opportunity to attend the catch up special with you guys. Here’s the link to sign up http://onsetproductions.com/calendar/details.aspx?showID=305

    • JNV says:
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      Tell us stories! All of them. Is Chelsea really a bitch like we’ve heard? I’ve heard that quite a few times and yet it disappoints me every time! I want to go to the catch up special but I live in nc :( boo.

      • Factual Hater says:
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        Leah was actually the biggest bitch of them all, SO WHINEY!!! and constantly fussing about hair/makeup etc. The biggest shocker and probably best story I have is about Mackenzie though. The producers asked her to talk about abstinence and birth control and she flat out said “please don’t make me talk about that, it was so long ago and makes me look really stupid” and the producer basically told her tough shit you have to say it. It gave me a different perspective of the show even though I know its clearly scripted. These girls have to constantly relive their mistakes in front of everyone and don’t get a chance to defend themselves very often. I still think Mackenzie’s a dumbass but at least she’s aware she’s stupid.

        • snow covered recliner says:
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          lol that is an interesting story. She went into her only season of Teen Mom getting birth control and claiming abstinence and still ended up the only girl from her season to get pregnant right after

        • trashtvismyguiltypleasure says:
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          What other stories can you tell us? I want all the juice!! lol It doesn’t surprise me that Leah was super whiney. Like JNV said though, is Chelsea really as big a bitch as everyone says she is?

    • Sophias Binkie says:
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      Oh YES! Do tell!! :0)

  6. Hayzii says:
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    Chelsea is such a dumbass. She keeps buying these designer dogs that she does not care for properly. One has already died in her “care” (or was it 2?). If she INSISTS on having a houseful of dogs, why can’t she adopt from her local shelter?!? When you buy, a shelter dog dies! There is NO reason why any person should be contributing to the breeding of more dogs when there is a huge overpopulation problem! She is so damn stupid and careless.

    • Factual Hater says:
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      Couldn’t agree more! Don’t shop, adopt

      • Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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        YES. Completely agree. Furthermore I wish more people would adopt adult dogs. Everyone seems to want puppies and all of these poor adult dogs get left behind :( I know people want to have a strong bond with their animal but you don’t need a puppy to have that connection.

        • River says:
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          Holy shit, I despise puppies. Not in a ‘I hate them’ kind of way, but I want a dog, not a puppy. Puppies are insane and I’d athe have 2 year old triplets than a puppy, honestly. They are so much work and with small kids it’s next to impossible. We had to rehome or retriever when we moved (not enough space for him and we didn’t realize it til he was there and the lease was singed) and though I loved that fuzz to death he made me wanna rip out my hair. He lives with my cousin so I know he’s with a good family but that is the last time I let my husband convince me to get a puppy.

          We also rescued a kitten from a closing pet store (they were to be euthanized if not sold, I wanted to take the whole litter, omg) and she’s just as insane, though she’s smaller. She’s technically not a kitten anymore, but she’s the most hyperactive cat I’ve ever owned. I so agree – either adopt or look at ‘free to good home’ ads online. My 7 year old Maine Coon is the best cat ever, and he’s incredibly tolerant of my kids pulling on his face and his fur all the live-long day.

        • Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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          Yup, it’s literally like having a baby. They get into everything, they aren’t potty trained yet, they need your attention all the time. My fiance and I found a puppy behind a dumpster and we instantly felt attached to him, but he is SO. MUCH. WORK. Our social life is literally non-existent since he came into our lives. We also have an older dog that we adopted from the SPCA when he was 5, and he’s always been the most obedient, loyal dog I ‘ve ever encountered. And then our two adopted cats just go with the flow and do their own thing. God, I love cats.

        • Roast Beef Kaiser Sandwich says:
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          And four animals is our absolute maximum. It already feels like a zoo sometimes. A big, lovable, time-consuming zoo ;)

        • Aleeahs Closet says:
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          Another whole hearted agreement on that point! Puppies are so much work…I’d much rather have an adult dog who is housebroken. It’s so easy to make connections with these animals. Nobody HAS to have a puppy to have a heartfelt connection with their pet. My family rescued retired greyhounds for a few years and I’ve loved every one of them.

        • LEAVEMEALONEEE says:
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          I just adopted an adult dog from a shelter a couple days ago! I love her so much. I also got my other dog 8 years ago from a shelter. I prefer older ones over puppies anyway. Puppies are a handful and I know they will always get adopted over an older dog, so I will gladly choose an older one first.

      • SmirnoffSuzie says:
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        Im not sure how it works where you guys live. Here in my country (i’m european) there are pretty much two types of shelter dogs. The first is dogs 10+ usually from owners that passed away. And the second is the overly agressive dogs that need “special” people and they won’t give them to be adopted by just anyone.
        Most shelters have only a handfull of dogs in them 5 or les. In summertime a bit more but they get adopted pretty quickly. It is illegal to kill the dogs here aswell. Unless they are so messed up that even the people in the shelter feel that there is no quality of life for the dog anymore.

        Buying from pet stores or puppy mills is wrong in every way. But I did get a puppy because I love doing dog sports with my dogs. But getting a dog from an oopsie nest or a good breeder is not inhumane at all.. That is very short sighted to say! The people that dump their dogs are the inhumane ones. As a trainer I select my dogs to fit a certain profile so we can both love what we do together, if you need a companion for 10-20 years it is not wrong to have a certain breed in mind to fit your lifestyle.

        But yes dogs need a lot of training. Not just to be well behaved. But to be happy too. Dogs love to work and be helpfull. My dogs get so excited when they can perform tasks with me. Getting a dog and having them lay on a mat just to be petted and walked once in a while, that is the inhumane thing to do.

        • Hayzii says:
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          Wow people sure get heated over me. Why not direct that to something that actually matters? I have the facts on my side, look them up for yourselves. Anywho, I’m going out of town for Mother’s Day, you all have a great one! :)

        • Rae says:
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          Shelters, in the southeastern US at least, are nuts. They’re always overcrowded and each animal has basically a ticking time bomb attached to it as soon as it’s rescued or surrendered that, if they aren’t adopted in time, they’re euthanized. Even places that try their hardest not to resort to this sometimes have to do it for aggression reasons, age, health status or simply overcrowding. The shelter I got my oldest cat from, to their credit, tries everything they possibly can before having to euthanize any animal. They’ll put out word on facebook and ask if anyone from the area will be going to another area in the state or out of state and wouldn’t mind taking an animal with them to drop them off at another rescue or foster home that specializes in whatever breed, temperament, age or amount of training any animal has and they follow through to make sure the delivery happened. And they have reasonable prices with THOROUGH background checks and they reserve the right to do a home study once you’ve adopted the pet (though no one I know who has adopted an animal from them has had anyone show up on their front porch or anything.) A couple months a year, they even do super, super discounted prices for ALL their animals, and all year round they have something called the “Silver Paws Discount” for cats and dogs 7+ years old. My cat was 7 when I adopted him and he’s 14 now and I got him for half-price because of this discount. He’s one of my favorite animals on the planet even though he’s a grumpy asshole who just took a swat at me for trying to cut a mat of hair away from his damn neck. But he’s declawed and can’t do any damage except being a grumbly bitch for the next hour or so. (I didn’t declaw him, he was an owner surrender that was already declawed. This shelter and any of the foster homes they use make you sign a contract saying that you WILL NOT declaw the cats or put them in a situation they’re specifically not supposed to be in like a multiple cat household if they can’t handle that and if they find out you violated this contract, they’ll take your animal back and find it a better home. Sounds harsh, but they make absolutely sure that these animals are going to have happy and healthy lives as much as they can because they really do care.)

          Many shelters are not as fastidious as the one I go to in their adopter screenings, the care they give to the animals while at the shelter, or making sure an animal is spayed/neutered before they adopt it out. Some don’t make the effort to care and some don’t have the option/funds to do so. Many pounds have to euthanize the majority of the animals that are brought in. PETA has shelters that are just a goddamn joke and they hardly even advertise for adoption opportunities and literally have vans that they’ll pick up strays or an owner surrender in where they have medicines IN THE VEHICLES to put the animal down and then throw the body in a giant freezer they have until their animal body collection company comes by once a month to incinerate them all. It’s disgusting.

          I think adopting from shelters definitely saves an animal’s life but if you do your research and make sure you’re buying from a responsible breeder or a middleman who doesn’t use puppy mills/mass breeding places to get their animals from, there’s not a problem with buying a puppy. And there are always no-kill animal shelters that will only euthanize an animal if it’s cruel to keep them alive due to health reasons, they’re unable to bounce back from the neglect they were rescued from, or they’re too aggressive to responsibly adopt out to ANYONE. The shelter I like in my city took in 90 dogs that were found in ONE HOME in my area of town and they only had to euthanize 20 of them. The rest they nursed back to health and successfully adopted out. In the cases of the dogs who were euthanized, they were so diseased and malnourished would have been flat out cruel to make them try to suffer through the rehabilitation process.

    • Corgi C. Corgster says:
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      I don’t know where Chelsea got her Great Dane, but I do find it suspicious that she was talking about wanting one a few days ago and then *POOF* she had a Great Dane.

      But my problem is not that she didn’t adopt. I’m going through a reputable breeder to get a corgi. The problem isn’t people who buy from good breeders. It’s people who buy from BYB & pet stores, which encourages the bad breeders to keep (over)producing without any concern for genetics, testing, temperament, health, safety or happiness of the dogs.

      Then these people like Chelsea and Jenelle will dedicate about 10 seconds teaching the BYB dog to sit and call the training complete. When the dog gets out of control or bites someone because it has no bite inhibition, they cart the dog off to a shelter or euthanize it.

      This rarely ever happens with reputable breeders, because they’ll interview you like you’re applying for the F.B.I., and their contracts state you must give the dog back to them if for any reason you want to get rid of it.

      We’d all be better off if states cracked down on these BYB, puppy mills & pet stores. Leave the breeding to people who know what the hell they’re doing and who thoroughly vet people before letting them take a puppy home.

      • Hayzii says:
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        Demand = Supply. When you buy from a breeder a dog in a shelter WILL DIE. If you (for whatever stupid, probably vain reason) need a certain breed, there are rescue organizations for every breed there is. There is no such thing as being a “responsible breeder” when there are dogs in shelters in every county of this country that need to be adopted and will be killed if they aren’t! Over 10,000 pets are euthanized in this country PER DAY and you want to pay someone to produce more of them?!?!? That’s really sick.

        • Corgi C. Corgster says:
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          I get what you’re saying, but the problem is with the bad breeders that fill up the shelters, not the good breeders.

          A responsible breeder breeds responsibly. That means a few things. 1) They vet everyone who wants a puppy. You don’t just get a puppy by forking over the cash. I can almost guarantee a reputable breeder would not have allowed Chelsea to take this dog home. 2) They choose a bitch and a stud who pass genetic and health testing. That testing costs $$$, which is why other breeders don’t care. 3) They almost always won’t let you choose your puppy by having you go “D’awww I like the spotted one!” They match puppy temperaments with the right household. That’s part of the vetting process. 4) You sign a contract stating that you must give the dog back if you have any problems. You cannot give the dog to a shelter or rescue, and you have no reason to. That’s why reputable breeders don’t have their dogs end up euthanized because nobody wants them.

          I could go on, but you get the point. If we don’t have responsible breeders, where do you think the puppies will come from? They don’t magically appear in shelters. They come from BYB, puppy mills and idiots who don’t get their dogs fixed and end up posting puppies on Craigslist.

        • TrapBabiesGalore says:
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          I can honestly say everything you are saying is also the reason people should stop having kids. The world is overpopulated and so many kids are starving and need a loving home. It will never happen, though.

        • Ace says:
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          How about blaming those who cause their pets to end up in a shelter, and end up being put down?

        • nathans caged husky says:
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          I understand what you are saying. I guess you could say I adopted my Shiba Inu, since she was rehomed to me. I did purchase my other dog, but she is an extremely rare breed (kai ken) and without further efforts, her breed and other similar breeds would become extinct. There is no rescue organization for most of these breeds (they are classified together as Nihon Ken), and the sire and dame for my dog had to be imported from Japan.
          I would love to be able to adopt these unusual breeds that have so much love to give, but there just aren’t any out there. In lieu of adoption, I donate to rescue organizations and offer my support whenever I can. I will only adopt my cats, and I try to take in the ones that the shelter is either about to put down or, in the case of my current kitty, have special needs and will likely never be adopted.
          I’m not trying to stir up trouble, but I wanted to raise awareness for the times that adoption just isn’t an option.
          With that being said, Chelsea should not get another dog. She has proved to be an irresponsible owner and, if she just HAD to have a great Dane, she could have easily adopted one. They get so big and many owners do not realize the cost involved with these giant breeds, so they dump them at shelters.

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          Corgi it’s good that some breeders are very careful and thorough with the care of their dogs and their search for responsible pet owners. Animal shelters do the exact same things. The fact remains that breeders are paid to bring more pets into the world and with how serious pet overpopulation is right now, there is no excuse that trumps the fact that an animal should be saved from a shelter instead of unnecessarily breeding dogs. Seriously. That goes for both pet shop breeders and small scale breeders. There is no reason to unnecessarily even bring ONE new dog into the world right now. The world isn’t going to run out of puppies. It sounds like you are suggesting the world is gonna run out of dogs if breeders stop breeding. Not. Even. Close. I’m not sure if you are actually uninformed with how serious pet overpopulation is in North America or if I just interpreted your comment incorrectly. But either way there is a reason why people advocate so passionately for pet adoption and that even large pet stores across North America have abolished the selling of puppies/kittens and only house rescue animals instead.

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          @HAYZII You sound like you’re responding based solely on your opinions without actually reading, ACTUALLY reading and trying to understand others.

          No, actually, you sound like a bitch.

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          @Hayzii…I don’t understand how wanting to have a certain breed is stupid or vain. We are talking about people that are irresponsible pet owners and get dogs and don’t get them fixed and drop off the puppies and then it continues. That’s how they all end up in shelters. If someone goes to the extreme of researching a breeder, and spending a good amount of money on a certain breed they obviously want, do you really think they are just going to go drop it somewhere? At least, no one I know would do that. I am advocate for shelters, and I volunteer at one. Yes, it is very sad that and sick that so many dogs AND cats are euthanized every day, but it’s also acceptable for a responsible person to get a breed of their choice.

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          Always amused at people who are so confident that their opinion is truth. If it was truth, it wouldn’t require such desperately hysterical fighting to defend it, most of the time. If its the truth it’ll speak for itself. People will still refuse to believe it, so what? Hurling insults and using bad language doesn’t do any good, except work against the person doing it. If alienating yourself is your goal, that’s what it achieves. Heh. Reminds me of that one person that commented on me here that her insulting/unnecessary comment about a baby was worth saying because it was “her” truth.

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          Hayzii, really? People could only want a specific breed of dog for a stupid or vain reason? Ignorant.

          Should the people that train military dogs go adopt from a shelter instead of adopting a dog that has been bred over time to exhibit traits and characteristics that will make them most suitable for that type of work? Most dogs of ANY breed can’t do that type of work period so suggesting that any dog will work for any person is just absurd.

          Also, parents with kids sometimes want to adopt a specific breed of dog so that they exhibit certain characteristics, e.g., stable, docile, good with children, etc. You are basically stating that any bred dog is worthless and has no value, and it makes me wonder whether you have ever actually had a dog that was a specific breed and was well suited for a specific purpose. Yes all dogs CAN be what a person needs, but it would take a lot longer for people to find a future police/military dog at a shelter or for parents that want to get a dog that will be a good match as a companion for their child to know without a shadow of a doubt that they are not genetically predisposed to having more aggressive tendencies. Not all people just go get dogs for the sake of getting a dog, as you are suggesting.

          I have both types of dogs: one that I rescued (not from a shelter, but from a box that someone abandoned on the street outside our house with 10 puppies in it) and one from a responsible breeder. The reason we got the dog from the breeder was because the dog we rescued had no interest in being anywhere near my son and my son WANTS to play with him all the time. He runs from my son anytime he gets close to him, so we wanted to get a dog that would be a good companion for my son. To suggest that that is a vain, superficial, or stupid reason is absolutely absurd. I can’t believe this is what you actually think about dogs that have a pedigree.

          Some people LIKE certain types of dogs. There’s nothing superficial or vain about it. Some people as small children form connections with a specific breed or they learn about a breed and like what they learn and feel a connection with it. It’s like saying you can just go out and find a mate wherever and whenever, doesn’t matter how you actually feel about them or any traits that they have or anything else about them. My God. Calm down. Breeders are not the problem. Refer to my other post.

          And according to your fucked up worldview, the dog that I rescued OFF the streets along with 9 of his brothers and sisters that I personally found homes for was not quite good enough because since I took him in some shelter dog died. Let me just fill you in, had I not been lucky enough to leave my house on the day I found that box of puppies, ALL 10 OF THEM WOULD HAVE DIED. Some asshole abandoned them in the dead middle of winter in a box with NO WATER. Your argument is flawed to the core. Re-evaluate it.

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          So much hatred for a group of people that are not even the problem.

          Do you hate shelter workers? They actually kill the dogs. Do you hate the government? They fund killing the dogs. Do you hate everyone that thinks kill shelters are necessary? They perpetuate the nonsense that they are. Do you lobby for kill shelters to be shut down with even a tenth of the fervor you use to spew venom at breeders and anyone that buys a dog of a specific breed? If you do, let’s see it.

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          @LA you do realize that you don’t have to choose between rescuing and getting the breed you want right? Go to Petfinder and search the breed you want in the area you’re in and I’m sure you’ll find plenty of results. I agree that breeders should not be bringing any more dogs into the world right now. There are too many animals killed every year. Now when the population gets better under control and nobody is being killed simply for not having a home, then we can talk about starting to breed again but even then I still think there should be strict regulations so this doesn’t happen again. Not to mention to breeders animals are basically property to sell which is not cool to me.

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          I can’t believe it took this long for someone to call Hayzii a bitch. lol

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          @FarrahsAutoTune please define what “better under control” means. I’ve never seen anyone, especially shelters be able to give a concrete answer to that question. A real quantifiable, measurable number of strays that is permissible in this country. There are never going to not be strays. That’s an unreasonable standard to set before we can talk about closing kill shelters.

          Sure there are any number of ways I can find a dog. I fail to see why buying from a breeder whose puppies are in no danger of dying for existing is any different from adopting from a no kill rescue where the dog in question is in no danger of dying for existing (never heard of a breed specific rescue that was not no kill).

          It still doesn’t address the problem of shelters. Why are we allowing people to just slaughter animals en made for existing right now? There’s no reason for it. There are strays anyway. There are animals that love on the streets anyway. What makes these specific innocent animals that get carted off to a shelter by their scummy owners any different from the ones living on the streets?

          Not to mention that I disagree with the entire premise of this country having an overpopulati

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          Crap it posted before I was done. Anyway, FarrahsAutoTune, what I was saying is I disagree with the premise that there’s an overpopulation problem. The shelters perpetuate that but there’s no evidence that these animals would cause an economic or ecological negative impact if they were not imprisoned and executed in shelters. Also even if I DID agree that there’s an overpopulation problem, which I see no real world non-shelter associated evidence of, the way to combat that is nationwide trap, spay/neuter and release, not just randomly putting millions of “unwanted” dogs to death. What gives humans the right to decide they don’t want a living being and then callously dispose of it? It’s not right and it’s not acceptable to me.

          I hope I don’t come off rude because I swear I am not trying to. Just giving you my perspective. :)

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          The difference is that when you adopt from a no-kill shelter they have the room to go rescue another animal who needs a safe place and won’t get killed, whereas when you buy from a breeder you’re just encouraging to bring more animals into the world. You make good points about the possible myth of overpopulation, which I’d never thought to do research on, but it’s just hard to believe when so many people fail to spay their pets and strays aren’t being trap-spay-released.

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          @FarrahsAutoTune, you are right that it does free up more space for other dogs. That is a good point. One reason I’ve not adopted from a rescue facility before in the past is because my living situation just would have made it impossible for me to rescue without approval from my landlord. I had a really awesome landlord before we moved into our new home that was A-OK with me having multiple animals, but if I wanted to contact her every time I wanted to rescue and rehome, it just wouldn’t have worked.

          Also, every time I go into a shelter I get this sinking feeling of defeat and helplessness because I can never do enough. I save 1 and the others die. It’s just not enough. That’s why I lobby for them to be closed because it’s the only way to stop the killing. It’s the only way to help all of them, and all of them are just as valuable as the one I could save even if they don’t look a certain way or act a certain way.

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          That’s gotta be annoying. We moved into a place and the ad just said “no dogs”, so we figured maybe we could start fostering cats. We almost committed to doing it but then we double checked our actual lease and it said no animals period. I volunteer at a rescue so I’ve really gotten to know the animals there so that’s why I feel like it’d be easy to find the right pet at one. I suppose it’d be harder if you weren’t able to spend a lot of time with the animals before adopting them.

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          Yeah it was really hard for a long time. We were good tenants so the landlords have always tolerated me having a few, but I’ve rehomed A LOT of animals and there’s no way I would’ve been able to talk any landlord into letting me do that even when it’s very short term (rehomed 9 puppies in 2 weeks..luckily we were at my parents house at the time) because it’s hard for them to trust you won’t let the animals just ransack their home. It’s understandable to me from their end, but Ive been doing it long enough that I know how to deal with it so that there isn’t much if any damage, and then any damage that they do I will always fix out of pocket. But it’s hard for people to understand that you can have animals without them being destructive, and that there are people responsible enough to take care of it if there is an issue.

          You are so lucky to have found a good rescue in your area! We just got our first no kill shelter, and they have been so bizarre. It’s kind of a long story that is probably uninteresting, but basically they turned down free services (marketing services) from me which I found extremely odd and they wouldn’t accept cats for like a year, which no one really provided a straight answer as to why. Then come to find out that “no kill” shelter was in cahoots with the kill shelter and funneling their unadoptables to the kill shelter. So really it worked out that way for a reason. I would’ve been irate that I had done that for them after I found out.

          I am hoping we get some more good rescues around here that are in alignment with what I think about these shelters. If you’re partnered with a kill shelter, you’re just not for me. Also, that sucks about not being able to have pets at your house. :( It’s tough to live without them because they’re such a joy. I tried to do it in college, and it SUCKED. :) Hopefully you can get a special fur baby soon.

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        Damn, I don’t know why you’re getting down voted. You’re right on the money. Being a true dog breeder, you generally loose thousands of dollars per dog pregnancy. They don’t do it for money. They do it to preserve the breed and prevent any and all health problems they can.

        I wouldn’t doubt that all of her dogs are puppy mill dogs. She said on the show that when she got her last puppy the person met her halfway to give her the dog… A big no, no! She didn’t see the condition the dog lived in nor the parents.

        She is fucking stupid. Ever one defends her and says she’s the best mom. She might be a good mom, but she shows her stupidity over and over. And most of it we don’t see because the show makes her look like an angel.

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          I expected to get down-voted. A lot of people are very sensitive on the subject, because too many dogs go without homes and end up being put down. I grew up with rescue animals and have always donated goods when I can, so I get it.

          While it’s sad, if we get rid of reputable breeders, what’s left? The very same people who are putting these dogs in shelters.

          People who breed without knowing what the hell they’re doing or people who just go out and have “oops” litters because they didn’t get their dogs spayed/neutered. The only source for dogs would be people who breed without any concern for reducing genetic illnesses. People who breed for ALL the wrong reasons. People who let anyone that asks for one have a puppy. That would be ALL that’s left. Where do people think the dogs in shelters and rescues come from? 99% of the time it’s from these BAD breeders, puppy mills and irresponsible pet owners.

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          Amen to that – those poor dogs (along with Leah’s, Kailyn’s and Farrah’s various castoffs) are definitely puppy mill products. I do know several cat breeders who specialize in a specific breed – they generally lose money because they are so thorough and care so much for the animals in their care. They do it for the love of the breed. I’m not a fan of purchasing an animal period, even from a responsible breeder, but if you need to do so, that’s where you go.

          And yes, Chelsea is damn fucking stupid. Stupid is getting a puppy when you have a toddler and are single and are already overwhelmed with the child and life responsibilities. Damn stupid is the puppy being attacked by a neighbor’s dog and requiring emergency vet treatment, because your puppy is not on a leash. Incredibly stupid is allowing your puppy to roam without a leash anywhere, but especially in the vicinity of the neighbor’s dog that previously attacked your puppy. and your puppy gets mauled and dies. Fucking stupid is not stepping back and saying, “I have way more on my plate with two dogs (Darla and the “replacement” dog, Betsy) and an active small child and a career, why don’t I focus on those first?” and, upon seeing a few Great Danes, decides to get one as a puppy, probaby squealing in her baby voice “He’s soooooo cuuuuuute-uh!”. DAMN FUCKING STUPID is actually going through with your decision, thus getting another “dependent”.

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          Shelter dogs are THE BEST DOGS. Can you look at the faces of the dogs in the video I’ll post below, and tell them that you don’t care that they will never feel love, you don’t care that they will die alone and confused because you bought from a “reputable breeder?” Could you go to a shelter and choose the dog that will die because you refused to open your heart and home to him? If you could by still choosing to buy from a breeder, then you don’t deserve the love of a dog and you shouldn’t own one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wpodyaAoG0

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          While the video was touching, it didn’t change my mind. We (my mom, brother and me) adopted in the past when I lived with my mom, and I’ve rescued one dog from the street a few months ago and rehomed him. I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s like telling a couple that’s trying to have a baby, “That’s so selfish. Why don’t you go adopt a baby who doesn’t have loving parents?”

          FTR, I’ve been talking to my fiance about adopting or fostering children when we’re older. (I’m only 24 now.) I told him how my mom’s ex raised me with so much love, even though I wasn’t his. He was adopted as a baby, and I can’t imagine my life without him. What if his mom had aborted him? What if that doctor had not adopted him and raised him with a good education and kind heart? So I want to pay it forward and adopt, or at least foster, children. So I’m not a completely heartless gremlin. =)

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          Wow Hayzii…. I’ve worked with animal rescues and stores that hold adoptions and don’t sell animals for a very long time… I truly understand where you’re hatred for it comes from But what’s wrong with someone who has three adopted dogs getting a dog from a reputable breeder before it’s even born for their fourth. Those who go out of their way to find a true reputable breeder often work closely with dog trainers to find a dog that will fit will with their family and other animals at home.
          I’ve only ever owned shelter animals and I probably always will.

          Dogs end up in shelters because of bad breeders and bad owners. You would be disgusted to see how many awful breeders and puppy mills give their animals away to rescue groups because they couldn’t sell them, they can no longer breed, or their in such awful condition that they don’t want to spend the money on medical care.

          These people who are reputable breeders aren’t doing it for money. They often loose thousands of dollars each time they breed, which isn’t very often. They do it to produce healthy dogs to family’s who are often picked out before conception of the dogs. Those who I have met who do this, 90% of the the dogs 2 litters have become service dogs for children with autism, elderly homes, etc.

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          The term “responsible breeder” is an oxymoron!! Breeders are IRRESPONSIBLE by existing! I don’t care what rationalizations one might have, it is always wrong to buy from a breeder while shelter dogs DIE. PERIOD.

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          All breeders are irresponsible by virtue of merely existing? This is just histrionics. That leaves the future dog generations to come solely from the most irresponsible people. I respectfully disagree that this is a good thing.

          Responsible breeder is not an oxymoron. You can be a responsible breeder who takes all the necessary precautions or an irresponsible breeder who doesn’t give a shit about their dogs or their puppies. Bad breeders are like the Jenelles of the dog world. You can’t lump all breeders together.

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          You and people like you are the reason that thousands of dogs die every day needlessly. Your attitude is disgusting. You could save a life but instead you choose to pay to have another one brought into an already grossly overpopulated world. You want to put so much emphasis on “future dog generations” but here we are NOW and a dog is being killed NOW. And now. And now. And now. There is so justification to add to that.

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          Hayzii, I’ve been very civil with you and have respected your opinion. I understand where you’re coming from and respect that you are passionate, but getting personal and insulting people is not cool.

          I grew up with rescues, but those animals stayed with my mom and her ex when I moved out (their choice, not mine). I actually have a rescued Dutch rabbit in my kitchen right now named Hank. I donate to a local animal shelter twice a year. I am a freelance writer, and I donate free grant writing services for a cat rescue in my area. I’ve helped them get thousands of dollars.

          I also donate time and money to helping human beings. I won’t bore you all with the self-congratulatory details, but I try to be a charitable person. So please chill out with the “disgusting attitude” card and holding me responsible for all shelter deaths. You’re not doing your cause any favors by insulting everyone who dares to politely disagree with you.

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          You’re being civil with me? Oh gee thanks, that’s usually what happens in an argument when I am completely right and dealing with someone rationalizing horrible choices. Truth hurts, and I won’t sugar coat it. You can pat yourself on the back all day long but that won’t matter one bit to the dog who will die because you choose to buy from a breeder.

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          haynazi,

          NO poeple LIKE YOU are whats wrong with the world. Self-righteous bitches who think the world should be a certain way. POEPLE like YOU and mindsets like you when in power cause so much harm to this world because you view the world through your OWN PRISM of how this world should be. WHEN poeple like corgi DONT meet your standards you go on the attack.

          Are you going to have children? EVER? because you can always adopt.. ARE YOU EATING TWO PLATES OF FOOD instead of one? CAUSE YOUR CAUSING WORLD WIDE HUNGER.. do you see how crazy this throught process sounds you feminazi? your putting the blame and all the worlds ills on one persons shoulder as if corgi c-corgi is what the problem with the world is. when the TRUTH is its scum of the earth people like you.

          Your nothing but a peta wanna be.. YOU KNOW PETA the same corrupt org that was FOUND DUMPING AND KILLING THOUSANDS of animals and throwing them in dumpters.. THATS YOU.. thats who YOU ARE.. the self pleasing sociopath that TELLS OTHERS what to do but is the one causing the worlds harms..

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          Hayzii,

          I’m being civil because I try to be a nice, respectful person, even when I disagree with someone or am passionate about something. I don’t insult or attack people for holding a different view than I do, especially when I’m trying to get them on my side on an issue. I’ve found people are very receptive when someone embodies a positive, respectful attitude.

          And some of the issues I am passionate about are life and death for people, but the urgency and concern I have never bleeds into attacks against people who may not agree or understand where I’m coming from. That would be completely counter-productive.

          I wish you the best. I’ll be taking the rest of today off to play with Hank.

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          The truth is not attacks. I’m sorry if your fragile sensibilities can’t handle the truth, you know you’re wrong, and now you want to claim I’m being a big meanie. Well I could not give a shit. Are you trying to imply that if I was all sunshine and rainbows that you would not buy a dog and would instead save one from death? Yeah right, you would still choose to buy one because you are selfish and don’t care about the lives of shelter dogs.

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          The people who abondon dogs and irresponsibly own dogs without spaying/ neutering are the ones you should really be mad about.. along with the money hungry puppy mills. If not for them the dogs wouldnt be in the shelters waiting to die in the first place.

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          Is everything going okay with you Hayzii? You’ve been getting upset about things in a lot of posts lately and it seems out of character for you. Hope everything is okay with you.

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          Well I am… hormonal. Doubly hormonal, some might say. ;) But nope, nothing wrong. This is an issue very near and dear to my heart.

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          Hayzii, here’s my question, how do you go into a shelter and pick which dog gets to live and walk out knowing that you left the rest to die? I’ve always had trouble doing that.

          Do the other dogs that you don’t save deserve to die because you chose a different one?

          So much circular logic going on with you Hayzii. How about we all just agree that it’s time to close kill shelters. Win/win.

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        I get a lot of hate for it, but I’m a big believer in the reputable and responsible breeding of dogs. When responsible breeding is done to keep a breed of dogs healthy (emotionally and physcially), I think that’s awesome.

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          the only dog I have ever adopted myself was a shelter dog. If I was ever to adopt again it would be from a shelter. I have family members who have adopted from good breeders. They are not terrible people. The breeders who adopt out these dogs often have a contract that if you do not want the dogs anymore, they must be returned to the breeder, which no one I know has ever done but what happens to shelter dogs people don’t want anymore, they just go back to the shelter? It’s very sad. The whole situation at animal shelters is very sad. The real issue is the fact that these animals are irresponsibly bred and irresponsibly abandoned. That is the whole problem. The disposable animal mentality. Even if everyone adopted from shelters it still wouldn’t fix the problem that animals are still abandoned regularly. I’m reading all these comments calling people who adopt animals from breeders and give them good lives “disgusting” but what about the people who abandoned their dogs to shelters?
          Different breeds of dogs are for different people which is why they have breeders. Last time I went to animal shelter I saw that 90% of the dogs there were pitbulls. Not everyone wants to bring a pitbull home to a house with kids. I know some pitbulls are good dogs, but some are very aggressive, especially if their previous owners were neglectful or abusive.
          Overall like I said I prefer to go check out a shelter first if I want a dog. But I don’t think that the private breeders are THE PROBLEM.

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          Oh come on, it’s just a dog. So she choses to buy hers. Not a big thing, that’s her choice to own pure bred, or a certain breed, whatever. At least she doesn’t dress them up. That crap weirds me out. Personally, we’ve bought a few, also rescued, adopted, and the most recent addition is my brother in laws 6 month retired police dog. He’s awesome. Taken well to our home, great with kids and gets along with our other dogs.

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          And I have certainly NEVER put my geriatric persian (SHELTER PERSIAN since apparently that earns me points) in an old man sweater or lobster costume. Ever. ;)

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          Did anyone see where Jenelle said today that she should be a vet? GOD NO.

          Every time I see one of her animals I feel so sorry for them. She posted a picture the other day of Nathan and Jax and that poor dog’s nails were like a half inch to an inch long and digging into the ground. Although maybe she should be a vet..then maybe she would learn how to properly take care of her animals.

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        I really do wonder where some of the dogs we see on these shows go? Like, Jenelle has had several with her different douchebags and then they are just GONE. I can’t remember the other ones I have seen, but there are more, I know. And about the shelter/breeder thing..I have done both. I adopted a mix breed schnauzer from our local SPCA, and I got a German Shepherd from a breeder. But, like Corgi C Corgster said, you HAVE to make sure they are a reputable breeder. Can’t be a puppy mill, and I would NEVER buy from a pet store. Actually, the last pet store that sold large animals closed recently due to unhealthy dogs. My breeder is everything Corgi said. You go to his, see how clean it is, see the parents of your puppy, he does a background check with your vet and even came and did a home visit to make sure we could manage that type of dog. And I love both of them equally! Why go through a breeder? Well, if you just really love a certain breed, you’re most certainly not going to find them at a shelter. I had a German Shepherd as a child and LOVE them. I wanted to have my dogs close in age, and this worked for me. So, I support them both, but only the right kind of breeders.

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          Idk, probably given to friends or ran away from her. Jenelle should not even own dogs. Much less have more kids.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          Now I do specifically remember Farrah buying that one puppy from a pet store when she and Sophia moved to Florida. I didn’t see it in the “Keeping up with Farrah” special. And before that, she had some other puppy. Its probably for the best for those doggies though!

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          Well if Jenelle really doesn’t even think twice about leaving her NEWBORN SON with her mother to go out and party all night literally weeks into his life and then completely abandons him with her mother and only comes around occasionally because her only form of income is through a television show for which she has to be, in some capacity, a “mom,” I don’t really see her having an issue with being one of those horrible people that drops a box of puppies off on a back country road and goes back home. God knows what’s happened to all her damn dogs if she can’t even be bothered to TALK to her son while she’s aborting a fetus on her mother’s couch.

      • Kails Sweet 16 says:
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        People always complain about this, but I have NEVER seen a dog in a pet store. The biggest thing I’ve ever seen in one is a cat, and those are adoptable cats they aren’t kittens. I think it depends on what state you’re in and some mah bae safeguards against puppy mills.

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          I haven’t seen a dog in a pet store in a LONG time. But I remember the mall near my house that I grew up in NY had a pet store with tons of dogs in these tiny crates. This was in the mid/late 90s. But usually pet stores like Petco and Petsmart do not carry dogs but its the mall pet stores that have the puppy mill dogs and kittens. They even had window display cages so shoppers would be able to see them playing in the window when they walked by

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          I saw puppies in a pet store almost a year ago. It’s still happening whether we like it or not. Personally, I think it’s dumb to spend a ton of money on a dog, reputable breeder be damned. Even though I do have a favorite breed of dog (Maltese), I would much rather adopt a mutt. Saves me money and saves an animal’s life.

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          It’s usually locally owned pet stores that you see it in. Pet Smart and Petco only do adoption events and give space to local agencies for cats. I know Pet Smart has over 5 million adoptions that have happened through Pet Smart :D

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          There used to be a pet store where I live called Petland. They sold dogs. Their dogs were from breeders from all over. They kept them there for awhile, and if they didn’t sell by a certain age, they got sent back to the breeder. I guess the pet store was getting some type of commission for selling them for the breeders. Anyway, they were charging OUTRAGEOUS prices for the dogs, and rumors were a lot of them were sick and some ended up dying of parvo. That pet store is now closed. THANK GOD.

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          There’s a store called “Puppy Zone” here which is a really great fix if I’m feeling horribly depressed and somewhat social because it’s an open floorplan with a shit ton of puppies in cribs that have been converted to open top pens and you can just walk around and snuggle them all. I looked into working there after there was this big hullabaloo about where they got their puppies from and they assured everyone it wasn’t puppy mills and that was the end of it. They didn’t pay per hour or anything like that…you get commission based on how many puppies you sell and they want you to “volunteer your time” for your first few shifts so you can shadow someone and get into the swing of things. That coupled with the fact that their dogs are outrageously expensive and they offer FINANCING FOR A DAMN DOG made me very, very uneasy. I didn’t end up working there and did some research and about a month later it came out that the owner of the store was TOTALLY getting the puppies from puppy mills and his excuse was “oh I guess I need to find another middle man to go look into the breeders better because the guy I had lied.” Fuck no he didn’t, you’re just a greedy asshole who has zero problem with some asshole with 10 kids he can’t afford putting a 10% down payment down on a LIVING CREATURE and then paying you monthly installments, all while you pay your employees a smidgen of that profit, which, I assume since they started the financing option, is spread over several paychecks.

          I go there maybe twice a year because…it’s a sea of puppies. It’s the best antidepressant on the planet IN SMALL DOSES. And their employees (who are all high school kids for the obvious reason of you can’t POSSIBLY earn a living working at a place like this) follow you around like vultures now and try to get you to buy ridiculously expensive dogs. There’s a mastiff puppy there that has been there for MONTHS now at least and I keep asking, “what happens if no one buys him? Do you guys like adopt him out?” thinking maybe the soulless jackasses will let me get this adorable mastiff out of this pet store, and they just tell me they keep them there until someone buys him.

          I don’t believe this now after reading that there are BREEDERS who drop dogs off at shelters…I just think this place probably has other people drop them off at shelters that aren’t local and won’t be traced back to them. Which really pisses me off and now I have to go back to watching IT Crowd as an antidepressant…which is fine because it’s on netflix but there’s nothing like walking into a place, getting some hand sanitizer and snuggling with a gigantic mastiff puppy you could never dream to afford with puppy breath and cuddles. Dammit! Maybe if I go to my shelter and explain my depression, they’ll let me volunteer to be the one who just sits on the ground in the puppy wing and releases them all to love on me…but something tells me they’re going to think I’m insane.

          As for Farrah…ugh. They went there to buy Sophia a damn fish and Farrah kept trying to get Sophia to say she wanted a puppy but Sophia kept telling her she wanted a fish instead and they ended up buying like a fucking French Bulldog. No earthly idea what happened to the poor unfortunate puppy soul that had the bad luck of Farrah spotting it. She’s like Cruella Deville except far less crafty and waaaayyy whorier.

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          Damn Rae, that is horrible that they get all those dogs from puppy mills. We both know Haslam has no interest in furthering anything other than corporate interests so we can’t expect government action to stop the puppy mills in this state. I always wonder what there is to do to stop these puppy mills..it seems like it will HAVE to be the government that makes them illegal, but there are always so many “more important” things to do the government never makes any time for animal issues.

          Also, they should definitely be more concerned about getting those dogs a home than turning a profit on every single one. What a sad life for those poor pups. Wish you could get your big mastiff baby…you never know! Maybe they will change their mind.

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        Children and animals are always going to be a huge discussion topic. Because they cannot defend for themselves. I dont have any children yet but i love my animal children. I dont see the harm in someone wanting to buy from a breeder or wherever other place besides a shelter you can get an animal. My family has got most of our animals from someone who couldnt care for them. Like stray cats who were taken in and we took a kitten. A puppy wondering the streets. A dog that wouldnt stop leaving their previous owner and coming to us. So we decided to just keep her after they wouldnt return our phone calls saying we had their dog. Most of our cats came from a shelter. If a person wants a specific breed then sometimes the only way is to go to a breeder. Me and my fiance had bought a puggle from a puppy store. We were younger and didnt really read about puppy mills and all that. we saw pet store went in and thought he was the cutest thing ever. But sadly he had hydrocephalus. and we had to return him in exchange for a different dog. It just sucked i had to have him for a few weeks before we knew of his condition. We got an irish setter mix in replace of him and she is great. even if she and the other puppy might have been a puppy mill puppy. Every living dog deserves an owner. Every animal deserves a loving owner. But people are never gonna run out of complaints. Right now i have 2 dogs, 2 ferrets, 3 cats and a foster cat. waiting for her forever home. I will probably have her for awhile before she will get adopted. I am fine with having her until that happens. It is not that hard to foster if you really like animals. In the last year i have had a mom and her 5 babies. and when they were all adopted i had fostered another 3 kittens. And then the cat i have now and her 2 babies. Of course keeping 2 babies i have fostered. Contact local rescues near you and do something about it instead of complaining about people who abuse and hoard. And foster and adopt.

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          So sick dogs don’t deserve a loving home? They deserved to be returned as if they’re a defective toy?

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      There are a couple of points I want to make in response to this. “When you buy, a shelter dog dies.” is a gross misrepresentation of the problem with shelters. Shelters are the actual problem. Responsible breeders raise specific breeds of dogs, typically for an intended purpose or to advance the best characteristics of the breed. They will generally have 4-5 litters a year, and responsible breeders are rare. Additionally, dogs raised by responsible breeders rarely end up in shelters in comparison to dogs from backyard breeders, puppy mills, idiots that don’t spay/neuter their pets, unintended litters from dogs/cats in the wild, etc. If you go into a shelter, most of the dogs are mixed. That’s just a fact. They’re no better or worse than bred dogs but they are valued differently by society which is why they typically end up in shelters. So the assertion that ending responsible breeding will reduce the shelter population is not only highly unlikely, there’s very little evidence to support it having an impact (even on a very small scale).

      Secondly, the people that need regulations to prevent the overbreeding of animals (puppy mills, irresponsible breeders, irresponsible animal owners, etc.) are never going to listen to the propaganda about “don’t buy or a shelter animal dies.” They don’t care. It simply won’t resonate with the people who are actually the problem. So it’s a useless argument.

      To combat the problem of kill shelter deaths every year, the first and foremost place that everyone should be placing their focus and attention is on CLOSING the kill shelters. Most people believe there is a pet “overpopulation” problem, but what evidence is there to support that? Sure there are lots of animals in shelters, but if those animals were homeless or living on the streets and humans allowed natural selection to take its course, is there concrete evidence that the number of “pet” animals would actually create an economic or ecological problem? No. The belief that there is an overpopulation problem in this country is a construct made by the shelter industry to advance their agenda and to line their pockets. Closing kill shelters should be the goal. They serve no purpose and they are inhumane and callous with the animals. A nationwide trap, spay/neuter program would be much more effective at curbing the perceived pet overpopulation problem but do you see any shelters shutting their doors and opting to use their funds for that purpose? No. Because there will be animals on the streets? That’s not a problem. There are animals on the streets anyway. Shall we trap and kill all the possums, rabbits, deer, feral cat colonies, and all wild creatures and then kill them for existing without a human to take control of them? No.

      So the whole premise of your argument is flawed, in my opinion. I know that most people agree with you because that’s the popular opinion of society right now. But really addressing the issues would not lead you to come to a conclusion that responsible breeders are the problem. The problems are kill shelters, puppy mills, irresponsible breeders, and irresponsible pet owners. Everything else is a tangential issue.

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        I do agree with you about kill shelters. I’d much rather see animals having a chance on the streets than straight-up killed because nobody wants them.

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          See that is exactly it!!! We have to stop the insane way that shelters are handling our animals. It’s just not right. I don’t want a bunch of homeless animals living in the wild, but they were built to survive for that very reason in the wild. I would much rather give them a chance than watch humans try to “control” their population in such a cruel, callous and ineffective way.

          I just want people to understand that the guilt and pain we as animal lovers feel about shelters is because the system is wrong. I hate to see people focus their attention on something like wanting to regulate breeders because that’s not going to close shelters. We’ve got to unite and be proactive about closing then or they’ll continue to profit from the millions of deaths they cause every year.

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      You know what, I’m just going to keep talking because I want to. If anyone doesn’t want to read my rants anymore, please just skip over this post (and my other posts lol). This is really just for Hayzii and like minded individuals.

      I want to talk a little more about the dog that we got from a breeder, whom you state is by default irresponsible. We got a rare breed of golden retriever to be a companion to my son because he loves animals, and the dog that we rescued has a lot of anxiety, acts skittish, and sometimes growls when he gets scared. My son is 3 years old and is sometimes a little wild (I have taught him how to behave with animals, but he’s a kid sometimes he gets excited and runs and screams and flails his arms which freaks our rescue out.) It was also causing MORE anxiety to my rescue to have my son’s attention focused on him all the time because like I said he loves animals. It got to the point where my son said he didn’t like dogs anymore, and he only liked cats because our dog wouldn’t play with him. So to reduce the stress to the rescue and to provide my son a companion that would enjoy playing with him, we got a golden retriever. Yes Hayzii from a RESPONSIBLE breeder.

      Let me talk a little bit about the puppy we got…both of her parents were health tested for hip/joint issues, we met both parents and all of their dogs when we picked her up. These dogs were EXTREMELY well cared for, well socialized, and were hand selected by the breeder based on the goal of furthering the best characteristics of the golden retriever breed. Now you will say (predictably), you don’t know that this dog will be any better with your son than the rescue…actually, reality has proven exactly the opposite is true. BECAUSE we did our research and selected a dog that would be compatible with children and exhibited the specific traits and characteristics which would have made her a good companion for my son, she immediately took to him..within an hour my son was saying she was his “best friend.” Not an exaggeration. They play together every day. She follows him wherever he goes. They lay and snuggle together on the floor. She behaves exactly as her breed characteristics indicated she would, which is AGAIN why we bought her. We already tried to get my child another dog not from a breeder and he still didn’t connect with my son, so this was try THREE to get a dog that my son would be able to play with and form a connection with so we couldn’t afford to get it wrong again. We can’t have an unlimited number of dogs, and I refuse to give any of my animals up (even re-homing, definitely NEVER a shelter). When a dog comes in to MY household, they stay period. So we couldn’t keep playing Russian roulette…my son was becoming completely disenfranchised with dogs altogether because of the situation. You would prefer to have a kid grow up with dogs that have no interest in him than to address the problem so that my son and my rescue dog are both happy now? THAT is disgusting. Your attitude is disgusting. The idea that you think you can pass blanket judgments on everyone that doesn’t live life exactly the way you do is disgusting. Getting a dog from a responsible breeder that made me sign a contract that I would return this puppy before she ever ended up in a shelter is not disgusting. Getting a dog for the purpose of helping my child form a better connection with animals is not disgusting. Continuing to play Russian roulette with dogs until my child was completely alienated from ever wanting to associate with ANY dog would have been disgusting. Not putting my child’s wants and needs over my own emotional desires would have been disgusting.

      No dog died because I bought her. I wouldn’t have gotten ANY dog if I hadn’t found and researched a specific breed that I thought would work well with my child. I don’t adopt from shelters anymore (although I have in the past). I rescue and rehome animals that I find. Is that not good enough for you? Is keeping animals out of the shelters like some people do not valuable to you? Because it should be. I have never taken any animal to the shelter and I NEVER WOULD. I am not the reason they end up there. Why are you not pissed at people that actually take dogs and cats to shelters? I’ve been to the shelters many times, and it’s HORRIBLE the conditions those poor animals have to live in. I went there looking for one of my animals that had gotten lost one time, and I had to WATCH someone surrender their dog to the shelter. It was the most horrible thing I have ever seen, not to mention that I was an emotional wreck over losing my own animal..watching someone just callously toss their animals into the arms of people he knew would kill him/her was just the limit. You have no perspective. Do you even rescue? Because I do. Do you eat meat? Because I don’t. So don’t act like you are some beacon of reason and the rest of us can’t even comprehend what it’s like to care about animals. You keep saying “I’m right I’m right I’m right” like a spoiled child. NO YOU ARE NOT RIGHT. You adopting a couple of animals from the shelter is not any more valuable than the 27+ animals I have kept from going into the shelter just in the last 5 years. Your view that you are superior to me because I’ve bought from a breeder is so hilarious. I’m actually entertained watching you flail around thinking you are some sort of authority on animal rights…yet I don’t hear you calling for an end to kill shelters. Well Hayzii? Ready to talk about ending kill shelters or do you want to continue your incendiary, supercilious rants a while longer while we all scratch our heads and wonder what the hell is wrong with you.

      In some ways I hope you respond, and in other ways I don’t because I can already predict what you’re going to say so it will be boring to listen to you drone on about how we’re all irresponsible and you’re the only one that cares about animals because you rail against breeders whilst not even ONCE mentioning shutting down kill shelters (you know, those places where they actually KILL the animals? Hopefully you’ve heard of them before.)

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        I should also clarify that the 27+ animals I’ve rescued and rehomed in the last 5 years were dogs/cats that I re-homed because I didn’t own my own house yet so I couldn’t keep them long term. Most of them stayed with us for a few weeks to a few months until we could find someone suitable for them to live with on a long-term basis. Now that we DO have our own house, the situation is different. I will still rescue and rehome, but the ones that become my pets, I will not give up.

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          LA79…you’re my new hero! I agree with everything you have said and it’s all I wanted to say but just couldn’t get it out cause I was do damn frustrated with what Hayzii had said. Thanks, and keep on ranting!

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          Thank you SophiasBinkie! I love that you liked my posts. When I talk about this kind of stuff IRL, most of my friends’/family’s eyes glaze over (they think I’m a bit of a fanatic lol).

          I know that we all have different perspectives, but I just get so irritated when people take their rage and frustration about shelter deaths out on breeders. It’s nonsensical. If everyone would keep their rage directed at the appropriate place, shelters, then we could actually come up with a way to close them. There’s no magic number, and if you ask any of these people that think shelters are needed what the number of acceptable dogs and cats is that would allow us to close the facilities, they have NO IDEA..will say some intangible, non quantifiable number like “When all dogs and cats have good warm homes.” NO. Shelters will never close until people stop skirting around the issues. These people MAKE MONEY off of the deaths of animals, and we’re just going to take their word for it that shelters are needed and there’s a pet overpopulation problem? Ok…that makes sense. Not. Why is there no evidence of it in the real world? Why do I never leave my house and see 15 stray dogs running wild around our property? Why do I never go to the city and see packs of 10-15 dogs causing damage or cats around every corner? Oh that’s right..because there isn’t a pet overpopulation problem.

          It’s like with any animal population, humans feel like they need to have their hands in it. We have some species of animals dying due to human intervention that our great-grandchildren will probably never see in person, and then we have domesticated dogs and cats in abundance and they want to kill them off because there are too many. JUST STOP. Leave the animals alone. They can survive in the wild for a reason. Natural selection exists for a reason. We are not needed to police every population of animals on the planet.

          It also irritates me how people in this country can get all worked up about things like the “Sochi dog murderers” in Russia that killed those dogs around the Olympics event location…um. Newsflash Americans, more dogs are killed here in SHELTERS (not by breeders) in ONE DAY than they probably killed at Sochi period. (I am an American…but I’m just saying.) We all as animal lovers need to readjust our perspective here. Nationwide trap, spay/neuter, and release would solve a pet overpopulation problem a heck of a lot better and faster than the American shelter system..not to mention it is more humane and acceptable to let animals live out their natural life cycle in the wild than to take them into a “shelter” (even the name these sickos hijacked makes me mad..it is NOT a shelter. It is an animal concentration camp.) Which brings me to another point about the breeders vs. shelters mentality. (Ok this is crude but it really helps drive home the point about why it’s so unreasonable to look at things the way these anti-breeders do.) It would be like someone going into a real human concentration camp for Jews and saying, “You know what the problem with this place is…that there are people that are not Jews that exist at all. If there were no non-Jews then all the Jews in the concentration camp would be freed.” WHAT?! Does that even make sense to YOU because those of us that think through the issues think that’s the craziest backwards logic we’ve ever heard. Mixed breed dogs are the ones that end up in shelters for the most part, and they’re the ones that die the most. Pit bulls also. You’re not going to reduce the shelter population by regulating the types of dogs that are RARELY in there..I mean on what plane of reality does that logic make sense to people? It doesn’t..they just think they can point fingers and blame someone so they go for breeders instead of people that take their animals to shelters, people that buy into the shelter nonsense, actual shelter workers that make their living on the backs of these animals, the government, etc. All those people are actually the problem.

          I just can’t stop ranting!! :)

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        Whoa when did anyone say anything about rescuing and rehoming? The discussion was breeding versus shelter, and rescuing an animal from a shelter, to me, is much better but nobody said that you shouldn’t rescue animals and not put them in the shelters in the first place. Obviously that’s better but if it’s shelter vs breeding then yes, shelter.

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          Woops it made me reply to the wrong comment:/

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          Hey again @FarrahsAutoTune (great username but my ears burn thinking about it lol).

          Hayzii’s implication on her series of posts was that people who buy from breeders are vain, superficial and don’t care about animals. Nothing about that could be further from the truth. I am not looking for recognition for any of the animal work I’ve done (I felt pretentious even bringing it up), but some people need it spelled out for them. Yeah I’ve bought from a breeder and I’ve personally rescued and rehomed a lot of animals so lumping all people together saying that because they don’t hate breeders they don’t care about dogs in need will piss me off EVERY Time. And the only reason I brought up being a vegetarian is because of Hayziis first comment “When you buy a shelter dog does” Well when you eat any type of animal meat, something actually physically died for you to do that so I find it hypocritical. That’s not to say I think everyone should be a vegetarian…I have no problem with meat eaters as long as they don’t start talking to me like I don’t care about animals. Then we’re gonna have a problem. Really I just responded to her that way because I felt her comments attacked people like me and because of ignorance she thinks she can lump people that buy dogs into a category that doesn’t exist.

          Also, sorry for any typos I’m on my phone and autocorrect has gotten me good lol. :)

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          Hey fellow veggie here:) while I don’t agree with buying from breeders I do think it’s really cool all the good you’ve done for animals. I would only adopt from no-kill shelters and rescues and if there’s a certain breed I want I’ll go out of my way to make sure it’s a rescue. Some day I want a Turkish van cat and I was surprised to find that there are a lot of them hanging out at different cat rescues which got me all excited. So I would just encourage you in the future to take that route first, there’s a lot of rescues that’ll let you meet the animals first and make sure they’re going to a good home. But yeah glad you have a good fur family that you’re happy with! I can see the point of view that it’s superficial to care so much about a certain breed, but I would rather encourage than judge and I wouldn’t call someone disgusting for doing that.

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          Oh awesome! *High five* for being fellow veggies! :) It’s not nearly as hard to do as people think.

          I agree with you that if it is possible to go the rescue route, that is best because it does at least make a space for one more animal. I just am a big picture type of person so I think of ways to help all instead of a few. There’s only one way to help all, and that’s to close these disgusting facilities that kill animals for no reason. I think it’s also important for us all to make sure that we are re-assessing our beliefs because I think the ultimate goal for everyone on this thread is to have animal shelters closed, whether a person thinks they should be closed because they’re no longer needed or like me think they are not needed now and they are just a money making machine disguised as a “charity”.

          I heard a very HIGH kill shelter (72 hour hold max) on the radio today ADVERTISING to come in and adopt. Money that could have gone to extend the life of one of those unfortunate beings who ended up there being used to promote this shelter. It’s unbelievable to me. I support absolutely 0 shelters. I don’t support them with my time or money. I’ve actually found out many no-kill shelters funnel their “unadoptable” pets to kill shelters, so now I’m even weary of them. The whole system needs an overhaul. It is completely corrupt and most of the money does NOT go to the animals. The same high kill shelter did a recent expansion to create a “top of the line” facility…their lobby is probably bigger than my house. They have receptionists and all sorts of irrelevant people to claim money that could be going to those animals they execute within 72 hours of them walking through the front door. The only people that should be doing anything in shelters are those that are feeding and caring for the animals. Anyone else, including executioners, are unnecessary payroll.

          We’ve got a big problem in this country…and I feel that focusing on breeders detracts from it. The problem is not them. The problem is that we as a species have appointed ourselves as arbiter of all animals’ fate and controller of their destiny. Not okay with that on any level.

          I feel guilty all the time about these animals that go through this, but what else can we do? We have to get them closed. We all have to get on the same page or they will never be closed, and we’ll all just keep waiting for an imaginary number to be hit that will never be hit.

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          It’s really not! But I feel bad saying that because I never liked meat for the most part, and most people I know love it. It gets kinda harder if you’re really strict about byproducts and broth and stuff like that though, some very sneaky animal ingredients out there.

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          Seriously I went to grab a can of vegetable soup the other day and read the ingredients and it said “chicken broth.” Now WHY would you do that Campbell? Come on now. It’s a vegetable soup, and I can’t even eat it! I’m not vegan so I still eat the byproducts like dairy and cheese and eggs, but yeah broths I try to avoid if I know they’re in there.

          I think all the meat substitutes make it so much easier for people that liked meat. I used to really like meat..I thought it was going to be so hard to give it up, but I really didn’t have a problem at all. I didn’t even crave it. It was more just trying to find new things to cook and making new recipes. Even my son and my husband now are MOSTLY veggie, they’re not strict about it…but they eat a lot healthier now so it’s really been a win/win all around.

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          Oh I’m not vegan either. I just mean byproducts like gelatin and carmine coloring in candy and rennet in cheese, stuff like that. I don’t purposely buy things with those ingredients but I’m not super strict about it either. Pepperoni pizza is the only craving I still have and there’s just no substitute for the real thing. I like a few meat substitutes but I hesitate to compare them to the real thing because I like them on their own, not as a substitute

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          You are educating me. Do those products that you mentioned contain meat? If so I had no idea!! What kind of meat do they use? Will have to be on the look out for those in the future, but may like you said not be TOO strict about it.

          I like a lot of the substitutes from MorningStar Farms. They have been a hit with the family so it’s been nice. I swear their hot dogs taste better than real hot dogs. My son also likes their chicken nuggets. We’ve eaten their vegetarian bacon for years even before I became a vegetarian so that’s a staple of this household too. Their burgers are…eh…but they’re okay. Which are your favorite meat substitutes? We need some new options to try. :)

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          For chicken my favorite is Gardein. I just loooove their crispy meatless tenders! And my husband loves the mandarin orange chicken. For turkey I like Quorn’s substitute. To me it’s dead-on with the taste. Gelain uses horse hooves and other random animal parts, really I don’t know because I’ve heard of several different sources so I don’t really know what it truly is, just that it’s something you could only get from a dead animal. It’s in marshmallows and gummy bears and stuff, but I’ve found that a lot of organic gummies don’t contain it:) weirdest of all it’s in altoids! Again though the organic ones don’t use it. Carmine coloring basically comes from crushed up beatles. Rennet is an enxyme used to make cheese that sometimes come from a calf stomach, but most cheeses no longer use it because it’s cheaper not to. There are microbial enxymes that are vegetarian. Also there’s really no way to tell so I just let that one slide unless I know for a fact it’s in the cheese.

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          Thank you so much! I’m sure my son will love the Gardein tenders, and my husband will like the mandarin orange chicken so these are all great.

          You know something else I found out recently is that Uggs use actual lamb skin and not just shaved fur in their boots. I have no idea why they wouldn’t consider going the cruelty free way (or at least..less cruelty way), but I had no idea about that when I bought those boots years ago or I wouldn’t have. It seems like either the company or the manufacturer have been flippant about the harm they’re causing too which is even more irritating. They say the sheep were slaughtered for food as if that makes it okay…um no. Just absolutely not. But try again. Especially for people that don’t eat meat anyway…no.

          The gelain is definitely something to avoid and the others too. Thank you for telling me about those…I learn new things about this lifestyle everyday! The meat industry is really woven into our culture so much that it’s hard to separate from it.

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    Ok she said she had a blighted ovum then says her baby was only measuring six weeks at her eight week checkup. If the latter is the case she did not have a blighted ovum. That occurs when a fertilized egg attaches but the empty pregnancy sac develops but no embryo. There is no embryo or fetus to grow. Two totally different things.

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      Good point. I don’t get why they have to tell us the minute they piss on a stick. If it’s even true. Why not wait so we don’t have to hear the BS stories. And if you are going to lie about it, damn, at least come up with some believable shit. We aren’t dumb. We can figure shit out. Like Nikkole, why wait until you are supposedly SO far along. You’d still get attention. And besides any of that, you have got to be one sad, pathetic person to fake a pregnancy/miscarriage/stillbirth.

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        I think that sometimes normal, everyday people just get excited about the prospect of having a baby. A woman I was working with announced her pregnancy to the entire facility at four weeks. I thought that was so strange, but she was clearly above and beyond elated with the idea of becoming a mother. Do I think that these girls are doing it for attention, and to extend their media coverage? Absolutely. It’s a really dirty thing to do, but they’re having articles written about them regardless of the lack of self respect and plain decency they show. They’re getting what they want.

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          I personally am of the opinion that the 8-12 week rule is golden. Unless the mother-to-be has serious morning sickness issues or is hospitalized for a pregnancy-related issue and it is obvious, it’s really not necessary to share with the whole world your news. One may choose to do so, but it’s not encouraged for a variety of reasons. First of all, if something happens it can be really painful to have to explain that you are no longer expecting. Do you really want to put yourself through that? Also, pregnancy is 9 months long – it’s a long stretch of time. When someone tells you she is 4 weeks pregnant, that’s nice but it’s a long haul to the end. It can get boring for the family and friends no matter how genuinely excited they are for the expectant parents, and when the baby finally arrives, it’s like “Oh, baby Nimrod is FINALLY here…”.

        • Aleeahs Closet says:
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          I agree with you, Nathan Reading The Bible. My cousin waited until she was 12 weeks to formally announce her pregnancy (she told me at 8 weeks but asked me to keep it a secret just in case). I really appreciate when people wait until they are almost out of the first trimester, otherwise it feels like their pregnancies are FOREVER LONG. I can only go so many weeks seeing the “My Baby’s Progress” posts…there is one girl on my FB that started hers at 3 WEEKS! I’m relieved that nothing happened to the baby she’s still carrying, because that’s way too early to be shouting from the mountaintops.

        • mypaperheart511 says:
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          I always announced my pregnancy right after finding out but that because I can’t keep a secret for the life of me and I was always super duper excited. Not necessarily smart but that’s just my personality

  8. trashtvismyguiltypleasure says:
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    Not to surprised about Ashley. So we’ve now had Jenelle, Ashley, and Nicole claim pregnancies and then mysteriously end up with miscarriages/stillborns. All of them made money off the story too. HMMMMMMMMMMMM I’m sensing a pattern here… Jenelle’s been posting tweets and pics of her and the Buckwild chick for a while. I didn’t know about the fight though. Although technically Jenelle had no part in it. She just loves inserting herself in drama. Chelsea I have no words for. That girl does NOT need another dog. She seems to really go through them. I know one of them was killed by another dog but what happened to all the other dogs she had. Plus with how out of control Aubree seems to be is it really a good idea to bring another being to take care of? Between Aubree and the Great Dane, her new house is going to be in shambles very soon!

    • Sophias Binkie says:
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      It’s one thing to be a friend to someone, but it’s quite another to put yourself in the mix of shit. Jenelle is about to freakin pop and the best thing she can think of to do right now is be up in this drama?! It’s just strange..are they THAT good of friends that she just opens up her house to this chick? At this specific point in time at 8 months pregnant? Did she have NOWHERE else to go except Jenelle Evans’ house? She will never change. She needs to focus on getting her shit completely together (mentally as well) and getting her kid back, not high school drama b s. And, she said when she was in rehab that she was bipolar. You almost always have to be medicated, and I know this because I am bipolar, but you cant take those meds while pregnant. I sense a manic episode coming on after this baby comes b/c her hormones will already be out of whack from giving birth. Watch out world.

      • snow covered recliner says:
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        amen

      • trashtvismyguiltypleasure says:
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        I forgot about the bipolar. Is she still taking meds for those? I know she can’t right now because of the baby but was she taking them before the baby even? I feel like she stopped because she decided that she didn’t need them but I can’t remember.

        • Kailyn Is Too Pregnant For This says:
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          I think she stopped taking her bipolar meds a long time ago. She claimed she didn’t need them anymore. Kind of sad really. It’s like the Schizophrenics who refuse to take their meds because they don’t believe they are sick. It’s called anosognosia.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          Well, if that’s the case, she’s gonna self implode after this baby. I suffered from post partum depression, which was later diagnosed as bipolar disorder. I think that’s what it was all along, and I had just never been diagnosed. I have spent the last 10 yrs on and off of SO many different meds, and had so many ups and downs and manic episodes & depressed episodes I cant even count them all. I, too, have stupidly thought at times when I was feeling “better” that I didn’t need the meds. When you go off, ALL that progress you have made to get to that “better” place goes out the window and then comes back and hits you with a sledgehammer, expect each time you feel worse than you initially did. If a VERY vicious cycle. I came to the decision in January to have my tubes tied because I knew that I wouldn’t be able to go off my meds for 9 months to have another baby, and if I did, I knew I wouldn’t be an any state of mind to raise the child. These young girls just don’t get it. They know nothing of real responsibility. If you add up what is against them..being young, being a mom, normal day to day struggles, then add a mental illness to it (then you DECIDE to have another baby so quick)? Bad, bad idea. I truly believe several of the other girls have something not clicking upstairs too to be faking pregnancies and miscarriages/stillbirths.

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          Kailyn is bipolar as well. I wonder what she did during her pregnancy? Or if she’s back on the meds since she IS breastfeeding….

        • Farrahsautotune says:
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          LOL well since when has a drug being bad for pregnancy stopped Jenelle from taking it?:P

  9. Nikkoles Teddy Bear says:
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    I’m surprised no one has tried to guess who is up for TM4. I seriously doubt anyone we’ve seen other than Millina has been approached. What about Aleah? And why have 11 out of the 12 TM girls been white? Totally not a fair representation. Oh right, Teen Mom ISN’T a fair representation of teen motherhood.

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      Id rather the next TM girl not be a WOC. There is already enough stigma against blacks and latinas as unwed teen moms; unless they choose a WOC who is a good mom like Izabella Tovar, Samantha Hernandez, or Cleondra Carter it could easily feed into unhealthy stereotypes.

      • Nikkoles Teddy Bear says:
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        Interesting point. I really liked those girls that you mentioned, more than pretty much every girl who ended up on the Teen Mom franchise.

    • A says:
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      Teen Mom 3 had shit ratings and got cancelled after one season. No one is speculating about who will be on Teen Mom 4 because it’s pretty unrealistic that there will even be a Teen Mom 4.

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      I highly doubt there will be a Teem Mom 4 given the disaster Teen Mom 3 turned out to be.

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      I hope there isn’t a teen mom 4. I think it’s unrealistic to think that this franchise can continue. We all love the train wrecks, but enough is enough. And all of these girls SO FAR have been somewhat “trashy”. Although I do think Millina’s story line is interesting.

    • WilliamBo says:
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      Please tell me they aren’t making a TM4. Stupid move considering TM3 died, and enough already. Its obvious its all about money at this point.

  10. SamanthaJane says:
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    Long time reader. i finally decided to register. As a person who works at a pet motel. i’ve dealt with great danes. they are huge dogs who can be hard to control even with the training i’ve had i once in a while have a hard time controlling them and to add i’m only 5’3 and i’ve been knocked down by them. i’m hoping that the dog won’t knock over Aubree and hurt her.. HOPEFULLY she gets it trained.

  11. Kails Sweet 16 says:
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    I’m not even going to comment on Ashley’s ugly potato ass. Anyway, Chelsea needs to stop. Half the time she is dropping those two little dogs off on her dad to babysit and now she’s going to add a large dog? She should get a pony next and house it in Randy’s backyard. Not like he will say no to her.

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    1. Ashley Salazar…no one cares about her and her womb anymore. The less attention we pay the less likely she and Paulun will do stupid crap to extend their “fame”.
    2. Of course Jenelle got involved with MTV drama…she wouldn’t be Jenelle if she didn’t.
    3. Chelsea and the rest of the Teen Mom gang need to cool it with the animals. I would love to have a pet but I know I haven’t got the time or money for one, let alone 3 plus a child.
    4. As long as Teen Mom 4 has more entertaining and likable girls, I could totally get behind this. Of course, they also have to throw in some trash and I think Summer and DJ could fill that spot from what I’ve heard and investigated on my own. I’m actually excited for that episode because I truly believe that girl is a train wreck waiting to happen (or starting to happen).

    • Lyubov says:
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      Do go on.

      • Aleeahs Closet says:
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        I have looked through Summer’s fan page and Twitter accounts and I think we’ve got a potential Farrah on our hands in the terms of body dysmorphic disorder or perhaps an eating disorder, and DEFINITELY narcissistic tendencies. Before she got pregnant, she was by no means overweight but she was a lot heavier than she is now. In her pictures she’s gotten progressively thinner, and I saw that she recently competed in a pageant so that may be part of it…but she takes endless selfies in full makeup and hair, and it seems like her arms just get smaller and smaller and her face has completely changed. She’s a pretty girl, and I have a feeling she knows it but has a ton of insecurities…especially since DJ cheated on her.

        She also talks like a piece of trash!

        • Sophias Binkie says:
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          Wow. She has a fan page already and her episode hasn’t even aired. I still can’t see how this show is decreasing the number of teen pregnancies like they say.

    • Kail's Placenta Pills says:
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      That’s the thing. The TM girls have plenty of time to raise animals, NONE OF THEM HAVE JOBS. And most of them give their kids to the dads at least 3 days a week or don’t have custody/don’t raise their kids in the first place. They’d just rather fill the time taking selfies and dying their hair than training a dog.

      I don’t follow TM close enough outside of this site to know, but did they ever say she did, indeed pass her exam? I know where I live, the local hospitals will give you a nursing job out of school, but to gain full employment with a real salary, within the year you have to pass the licensing exam *on the first try*. You can only take it once and then they fire you if you don’t pass it. Nursing is a bit more important than skincare and waxing, so they might get more than one try with an esthetician exam, but I just haven’t heard anything about her passing it.

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        I’m pretty sure she passed it and she’s working…I highly doubt there was that much drama surrounding her licensing exam. That was probably MTV fluff to make her segments less boring. Or just her typical need for validation from Randy. I dunno…she needs some serious self-esteem boosters. You’d think adoring fans would be enough, but it seems like she only wants love from people/animals who have no choice but to depend on her and love her. Did I not hear recently that she was trying to conceive or was that a dream?

  13. KAIL'S SECOND CHIN says:
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    1) I laughed at the fact that Jenelle always includes text messages as her “proof” or “real” side of a story haha. 2) Chelsea does not need another dog. I’m still sick at how careless she was with her other one that allowed it to get mauled by another dog. I just hate it when people get animals and treat them as if they’re disposable. If you don’t plan to have a dog for the rest of its life, don’t get one. I have a feeling she’ll be getting rid of it at some point. There’s no way I can see her managing a huge great dane.

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    No comment on Ashley or Jenelle, I’m so sick of their BS, they’re pathetic.

    Looks like Taylor and father of the year have broken up again. Shocker huh? And can we talk about how many frickin photos she posts of herself? Like, the same kind of crap every day? I don’t think she can go half an hour in the day without taking a photo of herself. I love it when people post multiple selfies and say it’s cause they’re “bored”. No, you’re just an attention whore.

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      Plus her mug isn’t all that interesting.

    • Nicole says:
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      It always bothers me when I see moms posting like 8,000 selfies and maybe 2 pictures of their kids. To be fair, I’m one of those moms that is always posting pics of my daughter. Can’t help it, I think she’s gorgeous! There are a couple of girls on my fb that post at least one selfie a day, but I never see pictures of their kids. I totally judge them. They wonder why their kids are not speaking clearly and in full sentences. Duh, maybe put down your makeup and quit messing with your hair so you can post a picture of how you feel pretty today. Maybe sit down, look your child in the eyes, and talk with them.

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        I know a girl like that, but to be fair her mom is the one actually raising her son. They came to an ‘agreement’ when he was a baby so she pretends she’s a regular teenager with occasional pics of her son. So sad.

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          You know Jenelle?

        • River says:
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          Haha, no – thank god. Admittedly this girl isn’t THAT bad, but she has admitted herself that she didn’t want to keep the pregnancy when she first found out but her mom ‘made her’ and then it was just too much. It probably doesn’t help that she was 14, and her mom just kind of took over anyway.

  15. Creative Username says:
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    I’m just hoping when Jenelle and Anna inevitably get in a fight after Kaiser is born, people are quick to alert CPS so he can hopefully be removed and placed in a better family while he’s young.

    • snow covered recliner says:
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      wait, isn’t Jenelle filming still? That should make an interesting season of Teen Mom, a cast member from a different Teen Mom show living with Jenelle

      • Sophias Binkie says:
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        Aha! Hence, my question of why she HAD to move to Jenelle’s house, as if she had NOWHERE else to go. I didn’t even think of that one. You’re good.

  16. Marry My Benefits says:
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    I totally called it with her selling the story to radar. I’m sorry down vote me and wish me a good old burning in hell but if she did miscarry and she SOLD the story instead of just saying it on her own blog shes even more horrible than if she faked the whole thing. What a disgusting twat waffle bitch.

  17. Leahs Split Ends says:
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    I think it’s weird that everyone is talking about how “out of control” Aubree is. I have 4 kids, and if I’m being honest they’ve all been pretty out of control at times. I’d be so embarrassed if cameras were following me all the time, catching their bad behavior and airing it for the world to see. Kids are bad sometimes. That’s just life.

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      Agreed. I think if any of kiddos is out of control, its Jace. But, hey, I were him, I’d probably be out of control, too.

      • Sophias Binkie says:
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        Damn..why am I getting thumbs down? Have you guys seen the kid? He is cussing, hitting people, and acting out in school. Out. of. control. Truth.

    • Kail's Placenta Pills says:
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      I think the fact Isaac and Ali are so well behaved and laid back it gives people a false sense of what is “normal” energy levels for children. And even more so than that, I think people have a larger problem with how Chelsea handles it than they do the actual act of Aubree acting out. Any time Aubree has done something bad on the show, the first thing Chelsea did was call her dad. Was that your first instinct when your kids started acting out? To call your dad? Her crisis handling methods are immature to say the least, and that will only get worse as Aubree gets older.

      It’s not surprising or confusing to me that’s what Chelsea does, though. Her mom has come across as being the same exact way. No real set boundaries and sort of an “ah shucks! what am I going to do now?” attitude whenever chelsea makes a mistake that should be disappointing as her mom or dad to see her make.

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        I don’t see her being able to control a teenaged Aubree. I mean, I hope Aubree is smarter and more secure than her mother, but with lax discipline and the constant need for Abree’s approval, Chelsea is going to find herself stuck between a rock and a hard place. Even if Aubree doesn’t get pregnant as a teen (because hopefully she’ll be smarter than that and will have watched the show), I’m sure she’ll party and experiment with drugs. Look at who her father is, I mean apples don’t fall far from their trees.

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          Oh, and Aubree is going to have daddy issues if Chelsea and Adam can’t learn to co-parent.

    • Farrahs Neck Mole says:
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      Totally agree, split ends!

  18. nathans caged husky says:
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    I can’t stand people like Chelsea who go stupid when they see a cute puppy and decide they need one! This is near and dear to my heart since I have a 5 year old Shiba Inu that was rehomed to me before she was 2. Did I mention I’m her third owner? I can assure you once that great Dane is older and costs massive amounts in vet bills compared to Chelsea’s other dogs (because large breeds cost more for flea and heartworm prevention, plus dentals… I know her dad is a dentist, but I don’t think he’s canine qualified.. Ha) and then gets sick and has the shits all over her house… We will never hear of poor Phil again.
    Besides all that, how is Chelsea going to fit Aubree, all those dogs, and her hair in one vehicle??

    • Nicole says:
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      We recently got a puppy. Her mom had a litter and the people couldn’t handle the extra dogs since they will be getting big, so they were giving them away. It was kind of spur of the moment for us, but we did it responsibly. Lots of research, lots of preparation, learning about the parents. I guess I’m hoping that to us it looks like she just went stupid, but behind the scenes she actually did some preparing. Our dogs are our little furry children, if we lost them we would be devastated. I feel like she would be sad but then just start looking for a “replacement”. I so want to be wrong.

  19. r2d2 says:
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    1. I truly don’t believe Ashley Salazar was ever pregnant.

    2. Jenelle is a moron.

    3. How many dogs does Chelsea need? Seriously!!

    4. Yawn…

  20. florry says:
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    All this Teen Mom shit is so much funnier when I’ve been playing the Eurovision drinking game. A French guy singing about not being able to grow a moustache and 8 month pregnant Jenelle Evans being as trashy as ever… What even is life? Why is Eurovision not on every night?

  21. Laura40 says:
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    A little bit off topic. I just read an article.

    “Well, it appears that their wishes have come true: according to several family members, Catelynn is already pregnant again!

    A Rounduper tipster alerted The Ashley that two different people related to Catelynn excitedly announced the big news on their private Facebook pages earlier today. Catelynn’s brother River posted that his sister was expecting, tagging Catelynn’s real Facebook page in the announcement. Hours later, Catelynn’s mother April revealed that she was going to be a grandmother again.”

    Full article here: http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2014/05/10/report-teen-mom-star-catelynn-lowell-is-pregnant-again/

    • Mackenzies Exploding Uterus says:
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      I’m already sick of this. The next ‘exclusive’ interviews will be BREAKING NEWS! Caitlyn took 27 pregnancy tests because she didn’t believe she was pregnant, Exclusive : Caitlyn’s ultrasound, Caitlyn has to pee all the time, Caitlyn had morning sickness, blah blah blah. I used to love them, but they are way too focused on being in the spotlight now.

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      I mean, I guess good for them? It’s just so stupid and weird to me that any celebrity or person in the public eye have to first announce that they are actively trying to have a baby. Then, it’s like, POOF!, 2 weeks later, they’re pregnant! Surprise! Seeing as though they were probably pregnant when they first announced they were trying, why not just wait until you are ready to announce that you are pregnant? Actively trying just means you’re having a lot of sex. I don’t need to know that. Ick.