Teen Mom Junkies

That entire statement could apply pretty well to most baby daddies on these shows. Can we compose a list of the ones that are NOT asses? It would be shorter.

COREY.
I'll give Daddy Derek and Kristina Robinson-Head's Todd the benefit of the doubt, since they had already died before the show began.
Brooke's husband Cody seemed like a good guy.
That horrid bitch Emily's husband Daniel was a sweetheart. If anyone kept up with him and saw him being an ass, please don't tell me.
I like Brian Finder, Jordan's husband. I hope they aren't divorcing.
That girl with anorexia named Kayla had a sweet boyfriend, I think he was Mike?
I still like Jairo, even though he's 14.
I liked Dell (according to Jazmin, he got the good edit but her parents were still weird)
Stone was a good guy, he had a hilarious BFF (do me eyes) and he was really good to Savannah even when they broke up. I don't remember if they trotted out some evil secrets from the reunion show, though. (Once Maurice made if rain, it was all over for me.)

That was a grand total of 9.

I heart Stone's friend. He was like a young Jack Black.

Lol, He was essentially Jack Black. Just for fun, I'll add him to the list. Now we have 10. It probably won't be long before some hottie looks at him with do me eye and that stud muffin impregnates her.

Deer came there is not one part of that sentence that I do not LOVE!

*Deer Cam. The other way was just gross sorry

Deer Cam
Speaking of Emily, I work with a girl that went to school with her. Daniel is an amazing father and has custody of their kid. Emily has have a huge problem with drugs and cheated on Daniel. That is why they were getting a divorce. Emily has passed out in front of one of the clubs we have and got mad when people were trying to help her out. She is a huge mess!

She was such a bitch to him on 16&p, I hated her! He seemed like such a precious little band geek, who genuinely loved her. She seemed like she was with him because she just wanted a boyfriend and didn't care who it was. I hope Daniel and Liam are doing well, and I hope Emily gets help. And I hope she quits being such a horrible cow.

AubreesRaspyVoice, that just made me think of Robbie and Leah :/ it gives new meaning to the charming ditty, "you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the discovery channel."

Wow! I liked Emily! I can't believe she has turned into such a mess. What a disappointment. I wonder if this is in response to her dads death and being kicked out by her mother though?
Jo was a good day when Issac got older. He kept leaving the milk out and pissing Karl off when he was newborn. I feel like Josh McKee was like Scott. He didn't ever seem to have or hold Gannon. Even Alex's Matt (who absolutely didn't want a kid) was more interested than Josh was.
Kaylas BF (JR?) seemed like a good dad too. So many losers though...

Leah's method pipe, oh no. From my understading this is how she has been from the beginning. Like in her high school days. MTV just has a way of hiding the truth.

Leah's Meth Pipe, a lot of the dads (Jo, Josh McKee, even Derek, Jordan Cashmyer's ex) seem to get better they get older, and they step up and do what's best for their kids. Even Adam takes more interest in Aubree now than ever before (still, it's mostly to piss of Chelsea. And he's always an unreliable asshole). I think part of if is the age. I did like JR too, and Jo got a lot better over the years. I don't blame him for being a jerk, he had to deal with KAAAARRRRRL.

Logged in just to put in my two cents about baby daddies!

I agree that JR seemed good to Kayla but you could tell she wasn't into him during the show.

I haven't watched the show from season 3 on, but I have read blogs so here's my list based on my limited viewing:

Eric from Samantha's episode. I wrote about her for my presentation last week and checked up on her to see how she was doing - she and Eric are still together and he worked during her episode to start providing for their daughter even though he qas still in school. He seems like a pretty good guy.

Corey, of course.

Jo pissed me off a lot in the early days but he always seemed to care for his son and take on responsibility for him.

Cody and Brooke were pretty cute. They weren't always the most mature but there seemed to be a good dedication to family between them and they seem to be doing pretty well now.

I agree that Daniel seemed very dedicated and I wish his education had been seen as a priority rather than some statement of him bailing on oregnant Emily. Sad about her dad though, he seemed like he was a dedicated father.

Aubrey Wolter's baby daddy seemed pretty decent - I know there was controversy about him not wanting her to work but I remember reading that his mother was imprisoned for murder so his commitment to his family was pretty neat in light of that. Don't know how he's doing now though.

Kayla's boyfriend Mike seemed really goodhearted. I hope they worked things out.

I loved Myranda and Eric! They were really young and seemed like they had the short end of the stick parent-wise. Theirs was the last episode I watched. I really feel like Eric meant well and hope he's grown up. They have a new baby, right? He just seemed like a good person.

I agree. Most baby daddies get better as the kids get older. Even my husband was awkward with them as newborns. But after a few weeks he worked it out and was more hands on.

Kayla's boyfriend Mike was amazing! He stuck by her and was really there for her. And for Preston. I remember him trying to get her to eat. Her mom infuriated me in that episode.

Ben didn't seem too bad. I don't remember much from the episode. It did take him a couple of months to step up.

Eric and Colin are two others I can think of but it's been a while since I saw Myranda and Devon's episodes.

I haven't seen the episode but Shawn. I know he had some financial instability but from pictures I have seen he seems to be a good guy.

I hearted Stone's friend too!!!!! He was so fucking funny. I would totally love to hang out with them.

Ehh...if I were in her shoes and met a religious guy who judged me or his family judged me on having a whoops-baby when I was younger and not married, I don't think those are the Christians a) they claim to be or b) I'd want to be around. It's not like a dude will wither away and die if he can't have sex for a period of time. If she can't find a guy who's willing to wait until she's ready again, then she's better off without a guy. Is it difficult to wait? Hell yes. But certainly not impossible.

Exactly. I know a lot of Christians who are saving themselves for marriage (or are married and saved themselves) but their partner has had sex before, but they've committed to taking their path with Christ more seriously so they also wanted to wait again 'til marriage. I wouldn't be with a guy who had a kid because I don't like kids LOL! But not because they're beyond redemption because they've ever had sex...

Rae, you have totally been the voice of reason on this whole thread. I scrolled down and read the rest of your responses to see if they were spot-on too....and they were! I shouldn't be surprised! :D

I do NOT get the Courtney hate. The hypocrisy is incredibly astounding. You guys bash all these moms who are having second and third babies, but when someone stands up and says, "I had sex and I shouldn't have and now I'm going to refrain," you guys jump all over her like she's hooking. Really?! I can agree that she didn't go about abstaining the right way, but guess what? She had NO idea how to implement this BIG relationship rule change without Scott jumping off the train, which is probably why she agreed to live together and occasionally got real comfortable in his room. And unfortunately she didn't have people in her life who were saying to her that what she was doing was essentially teasing, not alleviating his sexual desires. Or maybe she did and just didn't listen or understand. All of the problems that she and Scott were having (heck, all the problems that ALL these couples have) were in some way related to their choice to have sex before they should have.....I can't believe that people are asserting that she's in the wrong for choosing differently the second go-round, WHATEVER the reason!

"she will be single forever, no christian will want her, a man who takes back a christian girl to his mum and they know she has a kid oout of wedlock they would frown upon them dating"

I had my daughter when I was young and unwed. I wasn't a teenager, but I was barely 21 when she was born. Her birth father and I unfortunately were not able to work our relationship out. He passed away when she was just under a year old. I met my husband when my daughter was 2 years old. He and I are both Christians. His father is a pastor. His family never had any hesitations about us dating. His family welcomed us with open arms, open minds, and open hearts. We, as Christians make mistakes and use bad judgments just like every body else. We also, as Christians, are forgiven and our slates are wiped clean as if we had never sinned. If Jesus can forgive me, why wouldn't he and his family forgive?

I do not want to imagine what our lives would have been if he and his family had the attitude you described. He is the only daddy she remembers. His parents are the only grandparents (besides my parents) that she knows. They treat her no different than our other children, she is not a "step", she is family. She would have none of that if they said "Oh, she had sex before she married! She has a child out of wedlock!! She's damaged goods, you can't marry her!" That broad statement you made is deplorable.

AND for what it's worth: We abstained from sex until we were married even though I had obviously had sex before and so had he. We did what we felt was right for us and no one has any right to judge either of us for it.

The sad thing is this is a post on a baby having surgery which has got to be scary for any mom, and almost immediately everyone starts whining that she doesn't want to have sex. It's totally ridiculous. The comment about her being "one of the worst" in the history of the show almost had me laughing out loud.

@JEN Nobody is judging her choice to be a born again virgin, people are just saying that her choice wasn't fair for Scott so it's better that they aren't together anymore. It's cool she doesn't want sex but bitching at Scott for watching porn? Jeez cut him some slack.

Thumbs down from the up tight virgins that need to get laid. Oh and the "born again virgins." Jesus hates you.

I agree. If you stay with the same guy and keep fucking who cares. If she has seperated from him and THEN decided, ok, I'm not gonna have sex anymore till I'm married, I would get it. But sleeping with him, and then having a baby and then no more? No. Weird. Poor guy. No wonder he threw baby furniture around. I slam cupboards when I'm sexually frustrated.

AKA Farrah. There is nothing holy about taking it in the ass. God's watching.

Ummmm, hmmmm, uhhhhh, well I'm going to get a thumbs down anyway..... so..I'm just going to say it..., they couldn't have been too okay with it, they all left........

Yeah I don't get why blow jobs are allowed, fucking in the ass is allowed, but sex isn't. Makes no damn sense to me.

if you let a guy only have anal or blowjobs, it'll probably be even better for them!

Depends what you mean by make a difference?

Do I think one is fine and the other will send me to eternal damnation? No.

Do I want to do one but not the other right now? Yes.

I honestly don't care what you do with your vagina. I think it's good you are young and not having sex, I mean that's what the show is all about! So I didn't mean to sound offensive. Lol I just was joking about how you said "not all guys are looking for sex, I don't know why people think that." Maybe it's the water in my area but that's all guys are looking for in my neck of the woods! :)

I get what you're saying Oh Hail Nawwww(x10) but you have no way of knowing what ended each relationship. And it probably wasn't 100% about not being able to have sex.

Depends on the guy. Not all of them can't stop. I don't believe in the boys will be boys crap.
Maybe we should wait and see what she wanted to say? Mayne she was referring to kissing, touching, some petting. If not, yes, she's not a virgin anymore. Plus, you can't still get STDs.

The founder. Uhm you can get STD'S from Oral sex and you can even get pregnant without the penis being in the vagina. If some sperm gets into the vagina from beating off any where near the area, it can seep in. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it can. Also, I am pretty sure she didn't mean kissing and stuff like that. So.... She isn't really a virgin.

It's crazy how we are getting down voted for saying it's weird to claim yourself as a virgin when you have 'done other stuff'. We didn't bad talk her or name calll, so I don't understand.

I had a friend who kept her "virginity" for the first two years of her first relationship. However, she let him put it in the bum. Yeah... Still claimed virginity though. Try and figure that one out!

It's a big thing among fundamentalist Christians to have anal sex before vaginal sex because they claim anal doesn't take their virginity. But that's none of my business. *sips tea*

Afreakingmen

If anal was my first introduction to penetration I would be fucking scared as hell to have sex too! WTF?????? And if he slips?

I am really curious why I got down voted about the STD'S thing. Does anyone care to come forward and let me know? What the world was negative about educating people?!

Thumbs down are all fucking cowards. They are too pussy to explain their argument, because they know they're wrong and look at themselves and feel like shit. Take it up the ass thumbs down ;)

The thumbs down probably already are taking it up the ass (cos then they can still be virgins).

These comments remind me of my two silly friends in real life, jeez I gotta share it with you guys.

One of my friend was dating a guy, in a relationship, both of them were virgins and didn't really have anyone to "teach" them sex physically, they tried many times and still failed. Anyway, they were having a long distance relationship and apparently my friend got lonely easily that she went out with another guy just for fun, that guy wanted to have sex with her, and since she was claiming to save her first time for her true love, she told the guy "no I can't have vaginal sex with you, but you can take my ass", and so they ass fucked.

My other friend was dating guys until she met the one she really liked. But before she met the "right guy", who is currently her boyfriend, she also told those guys they couldn't pop her cherry, but anal was ok.

Although I don't agree with these two friend's dating style and twisted perspective towards sex, I believe a lot of people are like that. When they told me I kind of just considered it juicy gossip and didn't really lecture them or anything. But YES, there are people out there who claim to be virgins but they are no way "pure", it's an offence to real virgins.

Okay, I'm not religious or abstinent but you guys do realise that you're a Virgin until you've had full, penetrative sex right? That's what it means...

"A guy who is used to sex isn't just going to stop getting it."

Well, the only story I have to relate to this subject is about one of my guy friends. My boyfriend's roommate broke up with his fiancee, who was obsessed with sex on a Leah-like scale (she was GROSS about it like Leah was), so he was getting LOTS of it when he was with her.

When they broke up he started dating a 19 year old who was a virgin and has stated many times she wants to wait for marriage. They've been dating for 2 years now and have still not had sex. She and I have become close and she's admitted they've never even done oral or seen each other naked. She says he's never asked her to have sex or pressured her into ANYTHING. He loves her a lot, so he deals with it (I don't know if I'd say he's OKAY with it, exactly...I think the transition from almost constant sex to none whatsoever was a weird one for him).

As she said to him when they first started going out, "If you don't like it, you can leave me, if you think you can handle it, you'll be waiting a while." She gave him ample warning, and he accepted it and understands it. As HE says whenever someone asks him how he deals with it, "I've got hands."

Can you imagine when he finally gets to sleep with her? It'll be over in under a minute. I hope you are preparing her for that! Hahaha

Hmm...I think there's a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes virginity here. I personally don't look at giving a blow job or any type of foreplay to be losing your virginity. I lost my virginity with my husband but I've done some arousing things before I met him within other relationships. There's a big difference between oral sex until you're ready for piv penetration (for straight couples for the sake of this argument) and having anal sex so you can still claim you're a virgin. Oral and digital stimulation is the bees knees, for sure, but it's a whole different ballpark from actual intercourse. But then again, I refrained from having intercourse until I met my husband for my own reasons, not because I was trying to find a way to circumvent some religious sex rule or anything like that. So I can definitely, DEFINITELY see how all the foreplay stuff that most do over the course of time before actually having sex for the first time would be massively hypocritical if the girl is running around telling everyone she's waiting until marriage to have any type of sexual relationship. I think it's just a situation of oral/digital stimulation being kind of a blurred line for most. And then you have anal which is a horse of a different color. I have no opinions on what that should be defined as because it's not something I'm interested in personally.

No one said that all men want is sex. Sex just changes a man's life. Once a guy starts having sex, it is difficult for them to give it up. That's all I am saying. Heck it was hard for my husband and I to give up sex for the 6 weeks after our son was born. Sex is a wonderful, natural thing.

Sex changes everyone's life, regardless of their gender identity. I'm a woman and if my husband had suddenly decided we weren't going to have sex anymore until we got married just because we had gotten pregnant accidentally, I would have raised fucking hell. Sex is awesome and yes, it's absolutely your decision to not have sex anymore, but if it's a one-sided thing I don't think it's fair to expect the entire other half of the relationship to just go along with it indefinitely and not have a problem with a decision you made by yourself that will affect both of you.

Completely agree with you River and Drunk, I had sex when I was 16 (safe and with a long term boyfriend who is actually still my boyfriend now) but before I had sex I wasn't bothered necessarily about it, but once you do have it it's hard to stop. It's not just about getting your kicks so to speak, for me it's a way of being affectionate with each other and sharing that intimacy. If my boyfriend decided he didn't want to have sex anymore after we have the baby (eek) I would feel so horrible about myself; and I'm sure he would probably feel the same if roles were reversed. I had hip surgery in feb this year (my pelvis was broke in 5 places) and we had to abstain for three weeks and it was horrible haha.

On an unrelated note I'm watching Leah's 16 and pregnant episode, Corey is such a good guy Leah was always a whinny ungrateful brat...

Well, I'm a woman, and I've never had sex outside of a long term relationship. I didn't necessarily CHOOSE to do things that way, but that's just what ended up happening. I ended my last relationship a year ago and haven't had sex since, and I don't really miss it, tbh. I've always enjoyed it immensely when it happened. And I know a year is a long time, but I don't feel sexually frustrated or anything. If I don't have a boyfriend in my life, then there isn't really anyone I WANT to be having sex with (other than a few celebrities lol) and one night stands and random hookups are really not my thing. Does that make sense? I roll my eyes when people talk about sex like it's the end all be all and that it's as important as food and oxygen...I can live without it.

I agree, Meth-er! I just don't get hot for dudes that aren't my husband. I pursue sex because it feels amazing but also because of the emotional connection. I personally would not be able to have casual sex or a friends with benefits with someone I didn't love. But that's not the case for everyone and I'm certainly not judging. To be honest, if I had a different outlook, meeting some random hot dude and hooking up would probably be really fun. But "that sort of thing just ain't my bag, baby!" If my husband isn't around and something riles me up, I take care of it myself but I don't miss the actual sex with him so much that I can't control myself while he's away working.

Exactly! so I'm sorry Poppy you are probably not as virgin as you think

We better stop, they gonna start" accusin' us of being meanses to poppy!

Does that mean gay men are all virgins because they only have anal?

I feel like fingering is not considered sex. oral either. i know it's oral SEX but idk i just dont consider it sex. I've only had sex with my current boyfriend, but i've been fingered by one other person. I consider having lost my virginity to my current boyfriend. When my ob/gyn asks how many people i've had sex with, i tell him 1.

This site is naaaasty sometimes

I think you gal's are completely missing the point here. Girls who take it in the can and want to stay virgins are girls who just like to get ass pillaged and for the record, I'm completely fine with that. You go girls who like it nasty, I love you. So do all other dudes, wake up people.

Usually, I try to stay out of it when things like this happen, but I agree that some of the things being said are hurtful and uncalled for. Poppy was just trying to give some additional perspective on Courtney's decision to not have sex after Dayton was born.

Sexuality is such a difficult topic, because it is so personal. No one has the right to decide what is the right thing for anyone else. If Poppy's decision is different from yours, that's fine, but it doesn't make her decision wrong.

No, you are right poppy sex doesn't keep people together, that's not how I ment it, what I ment by my comment is, after you guys did everything but that, I'm sure it probably added to whatever else was going on in your relationship, they probably felt as if they weren't good enough after awhile. Men are sensitive when it comes to that area. And especially after a year or so of dating, this is why I said they left. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, or judge you because I don't know you and that isn't my place, I'm glad you aren't running around being a dirty bird, but at the same time you can't expect every one to think that you are doing a great thing, when you are doing everything but vagina, to me if you let a man enter any part of you, and you have an orgasm then you have broken the I'm a virgin theory, no your cherry isn't popped, but if you had one for every hole you let someone enter you, then you would only have one untouched...., I think that girl was embarrassed she got pregnant and her family knew for sure she was having sex, and that's why she is not" doing it" anymore, I would bet if she didn't get pregnant and caught she'd still be sexing it up! Again, these are my opinions I'm not trying to offend you poppy, what you do is your business, but don't make it public without expecting some criticism,.....

Yeah, that was weird how quickly strong assumptions were made about your religious beliefs, relationships and sexual activity. I was surprised to see how dickish people were. You just said that you had had relationships without having complete sex, but apparently you are basically a kitten-killer.

As far as I can tell, Poppy didn't specify why she didn't want to have sex. (You don't have to, Poppy) There are a lot of varied reasons to not want to be physically intimate. If she doesn't have vaginal sex because of an insecurity or a past trauma, would it have been ok for you guys to be talking about how she's probably a fundamentalist hypocrite who likes it in the butt? Seriously.

Idk why everyone jumped all over your shit, but I completely understood what you were saying. When I was younger I really didn't want to have sex before I was 18. But a blowjob or handy j or other stuff wasn't that big of a deal to me. After I actually had vaginal intercourse it was sort of emotional, not like "you're ny soulmate" emotional, but I just had a lot of feelings. All positive and confident really. Ths is corny as hell, but I guess I felt like a woman lmao. I know if I had done it in high school I wouldn't have been emotionally ready and it would've been the talk of my very small school. Why not wait for the right time and right person so your experience is as positive as possible? It doesn't matter how old you are! I met a girl freshman year of college who had never even kissed a guy but was totally ready to fuck lol.

TL;DR It's yo pussy, do what you want.

It saddens me to see how mean some of the comments were towards you. But then again, I have see a worse comments towards the TM girls so why expect differently?
It isn't because you know girls who do anal to keep their virginity that Poppy does the same. No need to make fun of her for a belief.

I am lucky enough to have had sex with one person, my husband. I'd recommend to any girls to wait for someone they love who make them feel respected.I have never heard of someone who regret waiting, but heard many who wished they didn't rush it.

If you haven't had a penis penetrate you, then yes you are a virgin. When the OBGYN asks you how old you were for your first time, s/he doesn't want to know about your first finger or blowjob.

I don't think anyone was trying to hurt you, sorry you feel that way. Everyone was just expressing their opinions on virginity. Nobody is saying that all guys left you because of the lack of sex, trust me, I have known guys that were really ok with no sex, it's just that, when guys break up with a girl, sex is usually taken into consideration, it's like, if he doesn't like the girl anymore and on top of that, there's no sex or sex is bad, it will just give him more of a reason to leave.

It just doesn't fucking bother me how someone I've never met on the internet defines her own virginity or lack thereof. People are saying some pretty vicious things and I'm sorry. I don't think anyone has truly malicious intentions because we all usually agree on stuff here and don't say mean shit but damn. I think everyone just has vastly different personal experiences and it's causing a thunderstorm of defensiveness.

Poppy, it doesn't affect me whether or not you zip yourself into a pocket of your own mucus at night like a parrot fish to keep those hormones at bay or if you have full blown sex but make him finish in a blow up doll. So you can define your boundaries and your expectations of yourself however you want, love. It doesn't lessen anything about my own nor do I feel talked down to or lied to. I had a friend in high school that would have sex with her panties still on and still considered that not sex. (DO NOT EVEN ASK ME ABOUT THE CHAFING THAT MUST CAUSE!) People have their own weird definitions about sex and that's fine because sex is a pretty personal thing.

Why has everyone assumed she's saying she has anal?! She's never said that either! I took it to mean she does foreplay but that's it. Which is surely understandable, didn't most of us start with that and progress on WHEN WE WERE READY? I mean maybe she does enjoy a bit of anal lol each to their own but people need to stop making assumptions so fast.

Virgins suck, literally!

Oh...my... god... I never knew that there were women who have no other option then to give backdoor access because of religious reasons. What if you are not into that? Auw-eew.
I don't know any women that prefer anal to vaginal sex. I have only heard of women that like anal sex, never met any of them. In fact, most of my friends don't do it or only once or twice.
I think this is not fair on women, the guy gets the pleasure, the girl well... the pleasure of pleasing him. What a submissive thing.

oh and if your fuckin somebody, your fucking somebody...if theyre fuckin you in the mouth or in the asshole or wherever, and your not some pure little virgin if your taking the D, so you might as well spread those legses and enjoy it!

*Looks around nervously*, uh oh, this is going to be....GOOD, *waits with pizza*

Might I add, if it's a "he won't respect me" (that seems big nowadays), giving him everything but vag, isn't going to make him respect you anymore than he might already does, it just means you are literally a piece of ass.

Maybe, this is a new fade? Idk, Lmao to me it seems more like a cruel joke, picture this
the poor feller you decide to lay with is going to be expecting "the virgin" to be pure and innocent, and like BAM here you are ready to Fuck, suck, and Fuck again! Got dominatrix skills, ooo wee bahahaha, yep that's going to be a hell of a situation to explain right there!

I agree that Poppy and Courtney's situations are pretty unorthodox and probably do put an incredible strain on a relationship, but seriously you kinda sound like Mama Dawn. If you're dating a guy and you don't give it up in a "week (whaaaa?) or maybe a month or two," he'll cheat. Spread your legses or he'll get it somewhere else.

Hey, I'm a prude, but I don't really think it's unreasonable to want to date someone a month or two before having sex. Gives you a chance to see if they're a serial killer and whatnot.

Your view on men and sex is very sad.

I am currently pregnant and on pelvic rest for the next 5 weeks due to a low placenta . No sex, no intercourse, no orgasm. So, should I assume (from your statement) that my husband is cheating on me ? We were obviously sexually active before, so he probably can't be without it right?

Being in a relationship with someone who were previously sexually active doesn't mean you have to have sex with them within a few days.

I hope I misunderstood your comment and by "from somewhere else" you meant his hands. If not, well then I hope if/when you have a daughter, you give her a different speech.

Masturbation exists for a reason, you know? If a guy goes out and cheats, it sure as shit isn't the celibate woman's fault. He should have the balls to step up and say, "this isn't working for me. I don't think we should be together." Instead, you're saying every man who isn't getting abundantly regular sex from their SO is out trolling for strange? That's setting the bar really low. If I were a dude, I'd be super insulted that you think so little of my abilities to control my libido and treat a partner with respect and love.

I have stayed out of the sex debates because to be honest I think people are jumping to a lot of conclusions when only a little piece of information was really given. I think people should be able to do what they like with their bodies as long as no one is being hurt and be able to do so witgout being attacked due to different opinions. However, Chickenfriedcheetos, I couldn't overlook your comment because it's so ridiculous!! I am not young, stupid or naive but I do know that although some men act the way you described there are also many others who are not selfish sex fiends looking for instant gratification. Please refrain from giving impressionable people sex advice because you are bad at it...

Yea honestly it's good she doesn't. I just think it's kinda weird that she already DID but now isn't...it's like girl that ship already sailed. But seriously whatever prevents these broads from having a second kid or third with multiple dads etc. then more power to them. I just don't like the whole religious aspect of it. I asked a Christian to fucking explain to me why bj's and taking it in the ass is ok but sex isn't. YES I get there is the chance to make babies, but the bible and blah blah doesn't even say that's why! It just says sex is unholy...but like taking it in the ass isn't? The logic makes no sense to me lmfao. I kind of wonder if Courtney has really followed through being that she had sex so young to begin with....

Exactly. If I overindulge in deliciously disgusting little debbie's cakes, at some point, I'm going to take a step back and stay away from the sugar pucks for a while. Does that make me a health nut? Nope. Just makes me concerned about developing the type 2 diabeetus. It's basically like she's dieting from sex until she's in a point in her life when she can indulge again.

I've... Never met a Christian who thinks that? I'm married and I have no interest in anal LOL the idea just kinda grosses me out! And oh those little debbie things are awesome LOL! I should really do that with soda, which is easy because according to most people on here if I slip up and drink one again I can just do it all the time:)

That's the thing, you don't know. Mayybe when they started dating she was intending to be abstinent and they got caught up in the moment, so for a while she thought like a lot of the people on here. "Well I've done it once sooo". If that's the case then he shouldn't be so surprised that she thought "wait a minute there are actually consequences to my actions and I want to be an example for my son" and gone back to what he signed up for when he originally started dating her.

Bro I had a dream that I was pregnant and it seriously ruined my whole day after I woke up lol

I got thumbs down for being scared to have a kid? I'm unmarried and haven't finished college education. Am I supposed to be rolling out a red carpet to my cunt? I have no money and I don't come from money. You want your taxes to pay to feed my kid? Be my fucking guest.

I agree, I really hope this works out for her! He looks like 15 times more attractive than Adam at this point, so the only thing that could really be drawing her back is him manipulating her, which given the opportunity, he would totally try to do. He just seems like the kind of ass who won't be able to stand it that she's not "so in love with him" anymore. Or maybe Adam and Robbie are just both members of the magic dick club.

That episode was kind of heartbreaking, she was so miserable, sad, heartbroken over adam being happy with taylor. But look at her now! I'm sososo happy for her, hope everything works out smoothly with Cole. You know what I love about Chelsea? She knows how to be alone, because she has been before, we can't say that about Leah, Jennelle or Kailyn, the only thing they know how to do is rush things. So I think she will know how to keep this new relationship on the track, I'm rooting for her.

Also, I'm not sure about this but I feel like Kail and Javi's relationship is even more emotionally (and maybe even physically, we all saw that episode) abusive than Jenelle and Nathan's one. Nathan manipultes Jenelle all the time and she takes his shit because she doesn't know how to be alone and she has to have dick all the time but Kails is in this whole another level where Javi's gotta do things exactly how she wants, I don't even think he has a say in that house, and I think he actually loves her (?) and that's the reason he puts up with all the rudeness of her. But what I'm trying to say here is one day Nathan can just have a nasty fight with jenelle and boom things are over between them, he moves out, dirty fight on twitter, never see him again, bye. Kail and Javi on the other hand is another dif story, that breakup (inevitable breakup) is gonna take months of abusiveness, fights, etc. and they are gonna "try" to make things work (they might even be at this point by now) for the sake of their marriage and the kids but at the end they are gonna end up in this unhealthy state of the relationship where they are not even happy together but they can't be away from each other. I just see all of that coming.

I agree that Kail and Javi are definitely doomed, but I think there is going to be one more band-aid baby before they finally get off their shitty-go-round relationship. (And it's going to be Kail that does the leaving, because she's tired of raising Javi). Even though Kail and Jo will never ever get back together, (like, ever :) ) I think Jo was really good for her. He would go toe to toe with her, call her on her crap and calm her down. You can tell even now, the way she interacts with him, she considers Jo to be her equal. She doesn't try to bully him the way she does with Javi.

I'm totally on #TeamChelsea, and I hope that this relationship works for her!

Have you seen Chelsea's new man? Hot damn if that isn't the upgrade of the century I don't know what is. Hopefully they have a happy and slow relationship and he loves and respects her pretty kitty.

It's my understanding that (my son plays video games) if you don't log offline it shows that you are "on" even if you're away from the game but leave it on. And my kid does that sometimes. Flicks fhe channel over but the Xbox is still on and therefore still connected and he appears "online" I'm not defending her, but surely you can't be online 24hrs??

I know with the PS3 you can see what they are doing at the time. What game they are playing, if they are on Netflix, etc.

But, I was wondering the same thing too. Just cause they are one doesn't always mean they are playing a game.

Xbox works the same way as the PS3. If you leave it on, it'll show that you're online but idle. But if you're actually playing a game, it's really specific. Like if you're playing team deathmatch on call of duty, it'll actually say "advanced warfare: team deathmatch." And every apartment is different. The apartment I'm in now I can paint, but the color has to get approved by the landlord. Some let you do anything you want as long as you paint it back to the original color when you move out though.

oh shit, that kid is only a few months old and looks exactly like a mini gaythan. Gaythan has strong genes, his daughter also looks exactly like him.

Before we moved, my parents and I were living in a rental house and we were allowed to paint. We just couldn't have a dog or a cat.

Oh I know right? Right after they get divorced after 3 and a half years if they even make it that long.

Ugh I can't stand Kail. She's that person who preaches as loudly as possible when she's judging someone she deems inferior but, as soon as she screws up, she demands kid gloves and refuses to take responsibility.

He looked like a 16 year-old stoner kid. The kind that only ever talks about weed and lives off of chocolate cereal and pop.

As a previous stoner myself, that was probably about 85% of conversation. I never liked chocolate cereal, but don't get me started on Ramen. That was my life!

He looks like that annoying type of stoner that would write their high school persuasive paper on why marijuana should be legalized because that's all they care about.

No, Maci lives in Chattanooga Tennessee but that is like four hours from where I live. I have never met any of the girls in person, but I am pretty sure I have seen Maci at the beach before. And like i said earlier, I work with a girl who knows Emily.I live right in the middle of Alabama.

I'm in Australia and shit at geography so I have no idea where all these girls are (map wise). My friend in Entreprise is military and was posted there from Aus last March. She has 4mths till she's back.

Yeah, when we go to the beach every year we have to pass through enterprise. It is a huge military place, kind of makes me nervous to go through there. Hahaha I don't even know why. So you and your friend are from Australia, but she is joining the United States Army? Do you guys have an army? I'm sorry. I have no idea about any of this stuff.

I live in Florida and I'm a few hours away from Enterprise. Enterprise is in South Alabama, near the Florida line. The North of Alabama borders Tennessee, though, and Chattanooga is is in Tennessee, but near the Alabama and Georgia lines.

Her husband is army. And yes we have an army. Lol. He was posted from Aus to Alabama for a year to train as a helicopter/chanook pilot. She is having a ball and loving America. They hope to stay another year. But the opportunity to go over there from here in Aus is rare so she doubts it. She said that the U.S. is so much more respectful of military over there. Loads of benefits compared to army here in Australia as well.

I live in Florida about 45 minutes from Orlando which is sadly where Briana lives and I think I've seen Brittany a few times when I was over there but I've not seen Briana or Nova

Of course you haven't seen Briana, she never leaves the couch!

I used to live in Florida too. I grew up in Fort Lauderdale, and I moved away just a few short months before our beloved Farrah moved there for a short time. I wish I hadn't moved so soon! Would have loved to have seen that hot mess on the streets.

Yeah she used to live in Hoover with her mom. Omg two a days was my show! I loved me some John Parker Wilson.

I was definitely an Alex Binder girl. I have to rewatch it. I used to love it back in the day. I was in middle school when it aired and it used to make me so excited for high school. Of course, where I live football isn't nearly as big but I still wanted it to be my life lol.

it's funny how she's known as "Karl" right now. On Dr.Douche she also said that she doesn't make any friends now because of her "status". I don't remember the exact words but the translation is basically "I'm a diva yo, ain't got time for friends cause they just wanna use my celebrity status ya know, I'm famous and shit, so I gots be careful who I hang out with"

You know, with that kind of attitude she would be perfect for Kanye West.

Everytime someone calls her Karl, I think of the walking dead.

KAAAARRRRRL!!!!!

Every time I read Illinois I read it in Amber speak : Ill a noize

Yep lol I love my state but I hate it at the same time! But born and raised here :)

Ha ha me too Nathans Genuality!

Yeah I forgot about her! I'm in Duluth, which is very close to both.

She did when they filmed, I don't know where she lives now. She delivered the baby at Good Shepherd in Longview, I think I read he was in the NICU for several weeks. I didn't watch the episode, but I think I will try to find it on Hulu if I get a chance during winter break.

I'm in Morris County!

Ugh, I can't stand Allie. I hope I never run into her. I don't like sharing my 973 area code with her lol.

I live super close to Sparta..have a few friends from there. That would have been crazy and not in a good way. Kind of surprising Sparta was the rumored town out of all the Sussex County towns since it's their most upper class town along with maybe Vernon.

I might die if anyone from my town or the surrounding towns ever go on the show. Plus it would be sucky to see local restaurants and stores on trashy tv lol

All I know is that the girl went to pope john( the private catholic high school) and she is the first girl from pope john to get pregnant and parent her baby, all because pope framcis said it was wrong to kick out pregnant girls from high school just because she decide to be prolife and have her baby.

*near

Meth, it's probably a REALLY good thing you don't live near them...., we would have to take up a" bail me out" fund! Haha, I'm just joking!

I grew up in Salt Lake. About half of the state are Mormon, with varying degrees of activity. I think Katie lives downtown or by the U. It's a lot less Mormon there, kinda hipster-ish. It made perfect sense to me that she wanted to move there- it's the closest large city to Rock Springs and she kinda tries to be a hipster.

Lolll. Damn I love hipsters. Maybe I should mmove there. It's a gorgeous state. Everyone Iv'e met there is super friendly.

I'm so bitter there are no girlses in California :( Damn laws.

I would bone Joey

Yes! Who cares about Katie! But tell me some Joey stories :)

I moved here a year and a half ago, and I don't really go anywhere. I'm from the south and people here are really hateful to me and my husband about it. They make fun of the way we talk and literally call us stupid to our faces. So, no Joey stories. But I heard people at work talking about how big of a bitch Katie is.

Well yeah but Texas is gigantic so odds are the eight girls there probably still live pretty far apart.

yes :D

Aww, felon!!!!! I love you!!!!

I feel like maybe she was trying to test his purity or emotional strength or something like that. Uh, he's a teenage boy being denied sex after getting it so much from your stupid pious ass. He doesn't have the emotional maturity to handle being teased/tested like that. I mean, Courtney wasn't all that mature either in this situation. If she were, she would have quickly understood that suddenly denying her boyfriend sex was a really bad idea.

2 weeks.. Holy! I'm guessing you didn't have an episiotomy lol I didn't even want to look down there after 2 weeks

It was actually really cute/funny.. I had horrible morning (afternoon/night) sickness for the first half of my pregnancy. One day I was finally feeling better and we could actually have dinner, hang out and go for a walk. As opposed to every other day where I would have come home from a long day of puking at work and just fall into my bed!
When he proposed he was like "I didn't plan to do it like this but I'm so happy you are happy and I had the ring made for you and it was just sitting in the car and I couldn't wait any longer!!!"

HAHAHAHAHA

I'm sure it just rings up as "THE FOUNDER!"

Lmao that's good! Its more like a web fight between the older mature women and how we see sex ed, and the younger women and how they see sex ed, we need a show!

It is crazy how a post about a sweet baby's surgery turned into sex Ed. Hahaha

Yeah I know!! Lol but hey, after all it is the very reason for the baby!

This is totally off topic, but has anyone seen the movie, The Giver? I watched it last night, those type of movies aren't usually my cup of tea, but my husband likes them, and I told him last night that if it sucked he could never pick out another movie again, lucky for him, it was alright. Lol

I watched it on Thanksgiving. I read the book and wanted to see what the movie was like. The old man is nothing like what I pictured, it was a good movie though.

Yeah, I liked it, it seemed to me he was waiting for a long time for the emotion border to be broken. Then he had to be the only one with those raw emotions, and knowing that they were killing babies and the elderly and who ever didn't agree with their system, like his daughter. I couldn't imagine a life like that. But they told it exceptionally well. Was the book better than the movie like in most cases?

Of course, books are always better. The movie isn't bad it's just something about books that make them better. In the books I feel like the guy did a much better job showing the pain and everything.

Oh no! Ever been around a woman fresh out of prison? I have, they can parttttyyyyyy!!!! And they don't necessarily tell you the truth and nothing but the truth....., and Cate bless her heart maybe if she got put with one of us wild ones, she'd probably fun, Tyler wouldn't know what to say, other than" stop Cate your scaring me, you look like April right now!"

Oh yea I bet AYM has all the good drugs

Oh AND pick a dad! Besides the obvious Corey who I just want to hug and of course do, I think Tyler so we could go shopping and he can tell me what I need to work on. Ew jk i would never want to meet him. I don't even know.